X-Message-Number: 24055 Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 09:03:42 -0700 From: Mike Perry <> Subject: Computers and brains again Thomas Donaldson, #24040, writes: >If we were to try to actually build a structure with (to be simple) >1 billion nodes, each one with a connection to every one of the others, >then it should be clear that we'd run into serious practical problems. This would probably be a stupid way to go about achieving the desired connectivity, but I brought it up to show that it did at least offer a substantial reduction of your suggested complexity, namely, from N-factorial to just under N-squared. (This is really an enormous reduction, from worse-than-exponential to low-degree polynomial, even if problems still remain.) To go further: yes, I agree with you that massive parallel processing would be desirable. The N "neurons" might be independent processors in their own right, and we'd then face the problem of how best to establish lines of communication between them. Physical, creatable connections are certainly one possible answer, but I'm sure there are others that would not involve setting up, in effect, a private telephone line between any two parties, as I suggested before. In fact, real telephone connections aren't set up this way, and, even though the physical details for our hypothetical brain-machine would be quite different, it seems to me something short of the physical growth of connections might be workable. But whether it would or would not does not by itself change the relevance of the theory of computation to what is happening, both in brains and in our artificial devices. I will also offer the conjecture that artificial brainlike machines of the future may significantly differ from today's computers, but will also differ significantly from natural brains, because we will have found better ways of accomplishing what they both do. Mike Perry Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=24055