X-Message-Number: 24327
From: "David Pizer" <>
Subject: Hayflick
Date: Sun, 4 Jul 2004 22:18:57 -0700

Robert Ettinger said (in an angry tone I hope):

"If the quotation below is complete and accurate, it appears that  Leonard 
Hayflick is suffering from senile dementia."


I wish that were the case and that was all that was wrong with Leonard.  Robert 
probably already knows this, but the sad truth is that Hayflick knows better, or
at least he SHOULD know better - he is not stupid, he is evil.  I have followed
him over the years and seen him on  a couple TV interviews.  My impression is 
that he does not WANT aging reversal to work so he thinks he sees some 
scientific principles that aging can not be slowed down or reversed 
significantly, or probably more to the fact he is just plainly a liar.   He is 
very anti-physical-Immortalist.


He, like Klass and other educated, but ignorant, bastards, simply does not want 
us to live beyond 70 or 80 years.  These guys think any longer life than that, 
when extended by  man alone, is immoral.  So they claim they believe they see 
the facts of science supporting their moral beliefs because they want that to be
the case.


We need to be aware of them and the dangerous work that they engage in.  We need
to oppose their lies publicly whenever we see them in print or other media.


They are everyday trying to influence others to reject and oppose work in 
anti-aging and long-life extension.  They want us to be dead forever and the 
sooner the better.  I think we should take them as seriously as we would any 
immoral person who we think would try to kill us, whether they attempt it by 
removing tools of long-life extension from us or just plain try to murder of 
each of us when we reach a certain age.

David

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