X-Message-Number: 24878
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 07:00:32 -0700
From: James Swayze <>
Subject: Re: Distributive backups
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>Message #24870
>From: "Michael C Price" <>
>References: <>
>Subject: Immortalism  vs. Life Extensionism
>Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 00:58:58 +0100

>>> Whatever can go wrong 
>>> will go wrong -- especially when there is Eternity.
>>> Things can go right a million million times, but things
>>> only need go wrong once to obliterate you forever. 
>Not if you're distributively and continuously backed up 
>in real-time across multiple basement universes.  Or if
>you believe that your identity at an earlier time can be 
>shared, to some extent, amongst backups/ duplicates 
>at a later time.

Suppose in some weird 'other universe', people have developed the 
practice of making clones of themselves then using some esoteric science 
rewiring their neuronal patterns to match that of the original cell 
donor and these for them are their backups. They then put them in 
suspension and leave many hundreds scattered all over the galaxy for 
insurance against their untimely demise. The clones are grown ahead of 
time so the time needed to grow them is not critical upon need. Forgive 
for sake of argument for the moment the notion that overwriting whatever 
pattern that existed would be tantamount to murder. [The Raelian 
scenario would be murder]

Question 1. Do these clones, to you, have human rights?

Question 2. If they do is it not a form of slavery to subject them to 
such use in the first place?

Question 3. If it is a form of slavery is it not even more unfair to not 
allow them, let's call it, *runtime* rather than being forced into some 
limbo-esque nether existence?

I think you can get where I'm coming from by my use of "runtime".

Back in our universe do proposed mind backups have rights?

If they do then don't they deserve to be conscious?

Of course that defeats the purpose because I think you'll agree they 
would immedately diverge and  become different people.

Now let's suppose that they don't have full human rights and we treat 
them as intellectual property.

A few questions further come to mind.

Do patent rights then apply with all the baggage allegedly heaped upon 
them in some circles?

If they have no rights then couldn't one duplicate ones own mind then 
license that software to work for you thereby doubling, trebling, 
quadrupling, etc., etc., one' intellectual productive ability?

Now consider if this is possible, what happens if your patent runs out 
and big business can duplicate your mind workers ad infinitum and put 
you and a lot of others out of work?

This subject came up on MURG and I got accused of having luddite notions 
when I suggested caution needed to be taken not to allow the job loss 
worker replacement scenario to run amok. The individual objecting 
insisted that duplicating such minds and working them would be against 
their human rights.

He didn't see the obvious irony of creating them in the first place for 
the express purpose of being one's property to only lay around 
unconscious waiting for one's need to arrive, might be a form of slavery 
or abuse or violation of their human rights. I think when we put flesh 
on them it changes the dynamic.



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