X-Message-Number: 25219
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 01:54:14 EST
Subject: Re: CryoNet #25207 Safeguards against uploaders? 

From: "Valera Retyunin" <>
> The popularity of all these "survival through hi-tech duplication" ideas
> really concerns me. I am planning to arrange cryonics contracts for my
> parents. I fear that at some point people with a liking for comforting
> abstractions and re-definitions may make up a majority on the CI board of
> directors and decide to duplicate my mum or dad instead of reanimating them.
> I don't want them to be killed, even in such a wonderful futuristic manner
> as uploading, and even if I got electronic or biological copies of them in
> return. Are there any safeguards against attempts by "benevolent" uploaders
> in authority within cryonics organisations to finish... sorry, upload off
> cryonics patients?

I am definitively on the uploader side, if I was managing a cryonics 

organization, I would push researches in this way. If someone as you, asked for 
uploading, I would say you are on the wrong way but if it your choice... 

I don't understand: "I don't want them to be killed,..." Uploading is about 
information copy and running that copy on a machine. Where is the problem? 
Three technologies are possible to scan a brain or body: Magnetic resonance 

imaging, exciton/soliton intensity interferometers and quantum nondemolition 
scanners. The first two are slow and must be used at low temperature, so they 
are good only for patients in cryonics state, the last is fast and could be 
used at room temperature. It could be used for making brain spare copies of a 
living person. Where is the problem?

Yvan Bozzonetti.

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