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From: "John de Rivaz" <>
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Subject: Re: survival of the individual after surgery -- or cryonics.
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2004 10:42:34 -0000

Thomas Donaldson wrote:
> I also note that none of us has yet been suspended and later revived.
> How we'll feel after that at least comes close to the main question
> in dispute. We'll find out, when and if we are revived.

The nearest available situation is surgical procedures where the patient is
shut down to the point that pathologists of only a few decades earlier would
have considered him to be dead. The difference between this and cryonics is
that the interval between shut down and re-starting is longer, and the
patient is in worse condition when cryopreserved.

There may well be learned papers out there somewhere that discuss the
survival of the individual after such procedures. There is probably be some
loss of thinking ability, but I doubt whether many people think this means
the total loss of the individual.

Sincerely, John de Rivaz:  http://John.deRivaz.com for websites including
Cryonics Europe, Longevity Report, The Venturists, Porthtowan, Alec Harley
Reeves - inventor, Arthur Bowker - potter, de Rivaz genealogy,  Nomad .. and

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