X-Message-Number: 25443 Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 08:18:51 -0500 From: Thomas Donaldson <> Subject: CryoNet #25437 - #25441 First a bit for RBR: I note that your argument against my survival in a version made from a record of me (if that is one of the points you were making in your message of 29 December) brings up the issue of duplicates once more. I have already said that I would not consider the duplicates to be the same, nor does the means to recreate me at some future time require that the result is a duplicate --- any more than I now on 30 December can be considered a duplicate of me in 30 December 2003. Not only that, but if I read what you say about your idea of an Identity Machine I'd say you were playing pretty loose with the whole notion of a "duplicate" being the "same" as the original. If nothing else, a duplicate would occupy a different location, which in turn means that its vision of the world would automatically differ when it woke up after duplication. I do not know anyone who believes that we may someday become duplicable (to invent a word) who really means a duplication of ALL attributes. Bringing up relativity etc here is frankly silly. For Bob Ettinger: When you finish it, and it's not too expensive, I'd like to buy and read your book. If all humans share some values, that will be because we are all human; it may also be (unfortunately) too optimistic. I think of racial and ethnic conflict as examples here. We're now past that time, but there was a time in the past when groups fought one another because both wanted the same land or objects (hmmm -- I must note the Middle East here). Simply sharing values doesn't necessarily mean that we're free of conflict (if that's what you intend, which I don't really know). It may give a source of conflict which can't be solved by any negotiations or understandings. Best wishes and long long life for all, Thomas Donaldson Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=25443