X-Message-Number: 25452
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 08:57:49 -0500
From: Thomas Donaldson <>
Subject: CryoNet #25442 - #25451

I shall try to be brief because it's getting late here.

1. for Valera, we know that electronic signals aren't essential to
the working of our brain because both humans and animals have
been lowered to temperatures in which their brains cease to show
any electronic activity at all, and then after rewarming show
no apparent loss of identity.

You may wish to argue that those who have had this experience
lost their QE and got another one when they were warmed up. This
notion comes too close to metaphysics.

2. for RBR, I note in all your discussions that DUPLICATES
somehow play an important role. I will point out that just because
I am in a state in which a duplication is possible it does not
follow that I will be duplicated. If I understand your arguments
the problem with recreating me from a record comes from the
possibility of duplicating me. Why  do you continue to believe
in the importance of an irrelevancy? 

If you want me to justify what I've said about your arguments,
then I will go back and get them from previous issues of Cryonet
and the role of duplicates in your argument will become clear.

I'd like you to argue that a recreation of me from a (sufficiently
good) record will or won't have my QE WITHOUT raising the issue
of duplicates at all. And note I said "recreation", which means
that somehow I ceased to exist although the record of me 
continued, and then someone came along and recreated me from the
record.

               Best wishes and long long life to all,

                   Thomas Donaldson

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