X-Message-Number: 25484 References: <> From: Peter Merel <> Subject: The Singularity Is A Fantasy Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 00:40:08 +1100 Tim Freeman writes, > [when] the environment internal to the > assembler has every atom in a known place [...] the > problem of controlling an assembler will be comparable to the problem > of controlling a fully automated factory. Certainly assemblers in such a nano-factory with carefully predigested feedstock would be able to produce many wonderful new materials. But the Drexlerian scenarios - autodocs inside each cell, utility fog, cheap food synthesis machines, the backup and repair of frozen human brains, Moore's Law bootstrapping humanity to the stars - The Singularity - is fantasy. The Singularity isn't making a pound of independent factory-style assemblers. It requires coherent work on scales far more complex than insert molecular flap A in molecular slot B times Avogadro's Number. Nanotechnology credibly promises new drugs and polymer synthesis - like protein engineering and similar. Nanofantasy like The Singularity incredibly promises techno-apotheosis and extropian godhead. > Strawman argument. Cite a credible nanotech apologist who says this. > The actual counter is that controlling an assembler is fairly easy, > once you know how to build and operate one. Drexler said that. Or isn't he credible any more? Doesn't the foresight institute still distribute Engines of Creation? > Operating an assembler "in the wild" would be more difficult than > operating one in a controlled environment. Maybe that's what you're > talking about. However, an E. Coli has enough smarts to > self-reproduce in the wild, so the claim that AI is required even in > this case seems dubious. Yes, you often see pounds of E. Coli working together to solve complex design problems. All one has to do is take a whole bunch of these slow osmotic-logic bags of stochastically reproducing protoplasm, dump 'em into a really hot cup of tea, and you'll have uploaded yourself and your friends into molecular robots accelerating their solar sails away from this jerkwater solar system at relativistic speeds before you can say Jack Robinson :-) Peter Merel. Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=25484