X-Message-Number: 2583 Date: Wed, 02 Feb 94 22:24:50 From: Steve Bridge <> Subject: CRYONICS and Catholicism (Via unlicensed copy of UGATE) To CryoNet >From Steve Bridge February 2, 1994 In response to Message: #2581 - Canadian Cryonics Dinner From: (Ben Best) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 02:00:00 -0500 >One of these friends seemed serious about signing-up >and wanted information on costs and procedures. He also wanted to >know the Vatican's views on the subject because he is Roman Catholic. >(Does anyone know if the Vatican has ever made a statement about >cryonics?) The Catholic viewpoint on cryonics has been the subject of much lively discussion over the years, especially since several cryonicists of my acquaintance are lapsed Catholics. I am not, but have a curiosity about this and have asked many questions about the subject. Apparently, the Pope himself has never offered an opinion on cryonics. However, the Vatican (but perhaps not the Pope) has made statements in the past that frozen human embryos do possess souls and are humans. The Church is not in favor of creating such humans; but once the eggs are fertilized, any destruction of them would be tantamount to murder. This shows the Catholic Church's interesting ability to adapt to change when science offers no other choice. This decision was not made until it was proven that the frozen embryos could produce full-term, obviously human infants. One couldn't say that frozen embryos were *dead* then, could they? For this reason, I believe that if eventually we can show that cryonics works, the Catholic Church will take the position that these people are alive and must be repaired. It does not necessarily follow, however, that the Church will be in favor of people choosing cryonics. Still, there is a more hopeful viewpoint that I have heard from a couple of priests. From the Catholic viewpoint, suicide is one of the greatest sins. Suicides are not allowed to be buried on consecrated ground; and most would say that suicide prevents one's soul from entering the Kingdom of Heaven. A priest told me about a common argument among Catholics: If a person was in the hospital and surgery would probably save the person's life (and NOT to have the surgery would mean certain death), then choosing not to have the surgery would be choosing to die. Willful death is suicide. (If God had wanted you to die, he wouldn't have invented surgeons that could fix your problem.) By the same logic, if it could be proven that cryonic suspension would preserve a person's life, then NOT to choose suspension when in a terminal condition would ALSO be willful death. Under those future circumstances, this priest would argue that NOT to choose cryonic suspension would be the mortal sin of suicide. While this argument may seem far-fetched and beside the point to the non-religious among you (why not just lead them away from the opiate of the masses?), it has an important point. Just as I am willing to use any odd law from Anatomical Donations to Assisted Suicide to Religious Protection from Autopsy to protect Alcor's members and Patients, I am willing to argue for cryonics on religious grounds if it means saving some people that I love. This young man should also be aware that most American Catholics do not follow every teaching of the European Pope. (I don't know whether Canadian Catholics fall in line better or not.) For instance, this week the Pope pleaded with Italian pharmacies to stop selling those sinful condoms. He doesn't care about AIDS; he just wants to stop birth control devices. The Italian pharmacists ignored him. At the same time, 90% of American Catholics use some form of birth control prohibited by the Pope. "But, Mom... John Paul says...." "Now, Junior, if John Paul told you to jump off a cliff, would you?" Of course, people who encourage you to die are, in essence, telling you to jump off a cliff. Even the religious have to make up their own minds about some things. Steve Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=2583