X-Message-Number: 25917 Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 08:52:21 -0500 From: Thomas Donaldson <> Subject: Some agreement with Bob and Yvan For Bob Ettinger: Yes, that's one of the problems of creating versus modelling a brain. Although there's still plenty of argument whether or not it is true, a lot of evidence suggests that we actually store our memories long term by creating new synaptic connections. But even more fundamental, I'd agree that even a working model of a brain isn't the same and in some cases won't work the same as a real brain. I've thought of satirizing this issue by saying that we have many models of stars, but actually making a star is not now something we can do. And just as in the case of stars, we will some day be able to make brains and minds inside them, but that's not now something we can do. In both cases we need tools and abilities we just don't now have. To Yvan: I note your discussion of suicide, and your personal experience. Apparently even without hospitalization, starvation ceases to hurt after a relatively short time... but unlike you, I can cite no personal experience to that effect. It's also a form of "death" unlikely to cause autopsy by any sane coroner: the reason for "death" wasn't at all mysterious and so does not require an autopsy for verification. In my original note I the fact that politics can get involved also brings in-sanity into the problem, so a coroner might be commanded by politicians to do an autopsy regardless. We do have a political problem with patients whose brain is breaking down and will otherwise simply disappear. Best wishes and long long life for all, Thomas Donaldson Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=25917