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From: 
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2005 11:30:57 EDT
Subject: European/UK/ and Non-US based cryonics facilities and life insurance

In a message dated 4/28/2005 5:01:01 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
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Message #26099
From: "Michael Saxer"  <>
Subject: Let us find out if long term  storage is possible in an European 
country
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:17:39  +0200

Dear friends of cryonics
I founded a company in December 2003  for cryonics in Germany. Please read 
http://www.biostasis.de/ .
I started  petitions in different German counties with the result that in 

Hessen and  Sachsen-Anhalt long term storage is discussed by the governments. In
Sachsen  there are thoughts of this, too.
Is there anybody who would work together  with me to find out if in European 
countries long term storage is allowed ?  Maybe in Eastern European countries ?
Please contact me: Michael Saxer,  
Many regards
Michael  Saxer




Dear Michael Saxer,  Fellow Cryonauts, and whom it may concern:
 
Thank you for this posting, and your initiative.  My name is Rudi  Hoffman, 
and my financial planning practice focuses on the needs of my friends  in the 
cryonics community. 
 
While I am not in a position to help you directly in your endeavors to  
create a German/EU based cryonics facility, there is some information on a  
parallel and related mission I am working on.  
 
Basically, obtaining life insurance to fund cryonic suspension is my  

specialty, and I must modestly but accurately observe that I happen to be best  
in 

the world at this.  Worldwide for the last several years, some 80% of  the folks
signing up for cryonic suspension have done this obtaining life  insurance I 
was able to secure for them.  
 
However, especially since 9/11/01, writing insurance on non-US citizens for  
this purpose has been especially challenging.  I do have a very high  quality 
carrier accepting non-US folks, but there are substantial restrictions  they 
require.  

Jefferson Pilot, an  A++ rated carrier, has and  will write cryonics 
policies.  However, JP requires the following:
 
1.  That the client physically come to the US for blood and urine  draw.  

This is a pretty big deal.  (But a good filter to determine who  is serious, and
financially committed.)
 
2.  That the policy be for at least $200,000 US, paid annually.   And you 
need to provide your medical records in English.
 
3.  That the policy be a permanent, cash value building policy, with  the 
guarantees to age 110 or better.  
 
4.  I have added an additional requirement, based on the amount of  time, 

details, and hassle that is to be expected in obtaining insurance. On  both the

part of the prospect and myself.   The prospect MUST be  a joy to work with, be
computer savvy, highly motivated, and financially  stable.   The uncommitted 
half-butt need not apply, and if you aren't  really nice, and really smart, I 
cannot work with you.  
 
All this to say...
 
I am working with several huge multinational insurance conglomerates to ADD  
them to my APPROVED CRYONICS VENDORS list.  These include ALLIANZ LIFE,  AIG, 
and F and G Life.
 
So, as time goes by, I will be better able to serve and add to the European  
clients we now have.  

Hope this helps.  And I wish you very  good fortune in your endeavors, as the 
challenges will no doubt prove  substantial.
 
Yours for Centuries,
 
Rudi Hoffman CFP CLU


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