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From: Kennita Watson <>
Subject: Re: Religion/guarantee
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:31:07 -0700

On Jul 8, 2005, at 2:00 AM, CryoNet wrote:

> SCOTT:  My problem with your persistent use of the word  guarantee  is 
> that,
> in
>  the minds of most, the word evokes the idea that there should be some
>  form of remedy offered if the customer is dissatisfied with the 
> product
> or service. That seems different to me than claims, assurances, or even
>  promises. In your opinion, they re saying something  to the effect  of
>  it being a guarantee. Why be so picky about these various terms, you
>  ask? Because the courts will likely be even pickier.
>
> DAVID:  I can't think of any other word that better describes what I am
> complaining about.
>
> My Webster says:  "Guarantee:  formal assurance (esp. in writing) that
> procuct, ect. will meet certain standards, last for a given time, etc."
> "teed,  -teeing.  give guarantee of, for somethin; secure (against 
> risk,
> etc)."
>
> I am open to using a better word if I can find one.

Dictionary.com's thesaurus' first two entries say:
Main Entry:     guarantee
Part of Speech: noun
Definition:     pledge
Synonyms:  agreement, assurance, attestation, bail, bargain, bond, 
certainty, certificate, certification, charter, collateral, contract, 
covenant, deposit, earnest, gage, guaranty, insurance, lock, oath, 
pawn, pipe, promise, recognizance, security, sure thing, surety, 
testament, token, undertaking, vow, warrant, warranty, word
Source:  	Roget's New Millennium  Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.1.1)
Copyright   2005 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.

Main Entry:     guarantee
Part of Speech: verb
Definition:     pledge
Synonyms:  affirm, angel, answer for, assure, attest, aver, back, 
bankroll, bind oneself, certify, confirm, cosign, endorse, ensure, 
evidence, evince, get behind, give bond, grubstake, guaranty, insure, 
juice, maintain, make bail, make certain, make sure, mortgage, promise, 
protect, prove, reassure, secure, sign for, stake, stand behind, 
support, swear, testify, vouch for, wager, warrant, witness
Source:  	Roget's New Millennium  Thesaurus, First Edition (v 1.1.1)
Copyright   2005 by Lexico Publishing Group, LLC. All rights reserved.

I think you (David) may be using "guarantee" in a
different sense than those complaining about your
use of the term are complaining about.  Maybe the
confusion could be cleared up if you said exactly
whom you would be suing, who exactly would be
doing the suing, and for exactly what, and what
punishment or damages would be sought.  Personally,
I'm not convinced that a statement of a suit could
be drafted that would merit coverage in anything
other than News of the Weird columns and the
National Enquirer (i.e., that would look like
anything other than the ravings of a nutcase to the
media).  I'm willing to be shown otherwise.

Another point:
People who are willing to take "Crossing Over with
John Edward" as proof that Heaven exists are unlikely
to take kindly to your assertion that Grandma isn't
actually there watching over them.

Another:
Maybe you should reach for some low-hanging fruit;
see how many members of American Atheists you can
get to sign up before you start trying to crack
the hard nuts.  If you find that atheists aren't
biting either, maybe it's not religion that is
causing most of their resistance.  Then try maybe
Buddhists, reincarnationists, agnostics,
freethinkers, etc.  There are millions, actually
billions, of non-Christians who are not signed up
for cryonics.  Targeting the Christians strikes
me as tilting at windmills, and smacks of ABEIC
("a bad experience in childhood" -- a visceral
negative reaction which may or may not have its
basis in an experience which actually occurred
in childhood, but similarly lacks a logical, or at
least well-considered, basis) (that definition needs
refining, but I hope it gets across what I mean).

Live long and prosper,
Kennita
--
Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery;
none but ourselves can free our minds.
           -- Bob Marley, "Redemption Song"

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