X-Message-Number: 26569
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:09:10 -0400
From: Keith Henson <>
Subject: Re: Religion/guarantee

At 09:00 AM 09/07/05 +0000,  Kennita Watson <>  wrote
>Subject: Re: Religion/guarantee
>Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:31:07 -0700
>
>On Jul 8, 2005, at 2:00 AM, CryoNet wrote:
>
> > SCOTT:  My problem with your persistent use of the word  guarantee  is
> > that, in
> >  the minds of most, the word evokes the idea that there should be some
> >  form of remedy offered if the customer is dissatisfied with the
> > product
> > or service.

snip

>I think you (David) may be using "guarantee" in a
>different sense than those complaining about your
>use of the term are complaining about.  Maybe the
>confusion could be cleared up if you said exactly
>whom you would be suing, who exactly would be
>doing the suing, and for exactly what, and what
>punishment or damages would be sought.  Personally,
>I'm not convinced that a statement of a suit could
>be drafted that would merit coverage in anything
>other than News of the Weird columns and the
>National Enquirer (i.e., that would look like
>anything other than the ravings of a nutcase to the
>media).  I'm willing to be shown otherwise.

I am afraid I have to agree with you Kinnita.

But if David did want to get a legal circus thing going, the group to sue 
would be the Church of the Sub Genius

They guarantee salvation or triple your money back.

http://www.subgenius.com/pams/pam2p1.html

There is a pointer to a legal case here:



http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/fun/devivals/X-Day98/POST-X-DAY/X0039_Stang_owes_nobody.html

"Remember what happened to Bob Larson (the televangilist from Texas) and
the law suit against him? He promised his followers that if they sent
him money, he would pray for them, and that this promises had the
power of fulfillment (he claimed to speak directly with God). Well,
one woman believed him and sent him her entire life savings, begging
him to pray her husband who was terminally ill with cancer. Her
husband died anyway, so she sued him, claiming that he had failed to
live up to a contractual agreement.

"She lost.

"Believe it or not, the courts consider this a matter of Church vs.
State, and do not want anything to do with it. Both the Texas Supreme
Court and the Federal Courts determined that the they do not have the
right to interfere with religious "actions." Further, regardless of
whether or not Larson's prayer's were fulfilled or not, the court
cannot determine if Larson has the power or not. As far as the courts
were concerned, he fulfilled his contractual obligation which was to
pray for the woman's husband.. The courts will not take it upon
themselves to determine if someone has "power" or not."

Keith Henson

PS.

For those who follow my adventures with the scientology cult, they sent a 
private investigator out to harass me two months ago.  I trapped him, and 
the story from the local newspaper about the event is here:



http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/82296f58d18c6132?hl=en&

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