X-Message-Number: 26648 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:13:49 -0400 From: Thomas Donaldson <> Subject: To RBR: why you believe in a soul More for RBR, specifically: You may think you are a materialist and believe that you don't believe in a soul for that reason. However everything you say shouts at me your belief in a soul. Why do I say this? If you are read off as full, precise information into a computer (yes, I agree that we're still very far from being able to do this) and then killed, and afterwards recreated from the information stored in the computer, just what is the PHYSICAL or MATERIAL difference between this copy and yourself? Remember that I'm not talking here about a duplicate existing at the same time as yourself, but a copy made after you've been annihilated (for the sake of this question, annihilated while unconscious). In this situation, the only difference between the copy and the you original would consist of the individual atoms which made you up. OK, we can even reuse those atoms, or simply wait long enough that you would have in your own metabolism exchanged them for new ones. In short we make a copy of you with no material or physical difference between the copy and yourself. If we can do this (I would point out thousands of practical problems and unknowns, but I'm assuming they have been overcome) then just what difference makes this copy not yourself? This reeks of belief in a soul. Not one that lasts forever at all, but one that still makes you YOU rather than someone else, and one which cannot be duplicated or copied or handled in the way we handle matter and energy of all kinds. It is I who really don't believe in a soul, of any kind or form. Copying someone exactly enough would take far more technology than simply suspending them; I have alluded to all the practical problems we'd face if we tried to do that. But fundamentally, if I were annihilated without knowing so, and a copy of me were made by some technology centuries (I mean it --- too many think such things are simple) in the future, I would say that the copy was the same as me. It would be the same as me because it differs in no way from what I was before my annihilation centuries ago. Best wishes and long long life for all, Thomas Donaldson Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=26648