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I strongly agree with Ettinger. Please exclude political discussion
from cryonet. I find that I am trashing more cryonet posting days
without reading them because of endless babble only marginal to our
collective interest at best. I have pronounced political views on many
subjects and I share them in appropriate forums. This is not one of
them. Ron Havelock
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#27081: Stodolsky & Merel [Ettinger]
#27082: 195'th update on fly longevity experiments [Doug Skrecky]
#27083: We search a server for NanoAging, can you help? [The
NanoAging
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#27084: Re: Under the Premise that Knowledge Is Power: [Appraisco]
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Message #27081
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Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 10:04:00 EDT
Subject: Stodolsky & Merel
Stodolsky's and Merel's rants about America being worse than the
terrorists
are stupid on many levels, but I just want to ask everyone whether
they want
Cryonet to degenerate into political squabbles. Anyone with half a
brain
should recognize that our small numbers allow us to have appreciable
influence
in
one area only--cryonics. No matter what side you espouse in politics,
some
newcomer is going to think that these cryonicists are jerks.
Take your politics somewhere else.
Robert Ettinger
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Message #27082
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 11:36:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Doug Skrecky <>
Subject: 195'th update on fly longevity experiments
This is the 195'th update of my fly longevity experiments. Average
temperature was 26.3 C during this run. Estimated maximal longevity
using
the formula (363 - T*11.2) is 68 days.
Ashwaganda has stimulated repair processes in mammals. Although
drosophila cells are virtually all post-mitotic, ashwaganda is a good
test case to see if repair processes are likely to be relevant to fly
aging. Unfortunately, the negative results in this run indicate that
the
answer to this question is probably "no".
A number of supplements for which "hits" were obtained in previous
runs are also here retested. In run #191 the antidiabetic supplement
gymnema sylvestre was associated with improved mean, but not maximum
survival at a 200 mg dosage. In run #178 the neuroprotective supplement
bacopa monniera was also associated with increased mean. but not
maximum
survival at a 75 mg dosage. In run #177 the radioprotective supplement
triphala increased maximum, but not mean survival at a 250 mg dosage.
In
run #170 the neuroprotective supplement foo-ti-teng increased maximum,
but not mean survival at a 130 mg dosage. None of these "effects" are
statistically robust, so this run is really giving all of these
supplements an opportunity to win a place on my own list of fly
longevity
enhancing supplements. Alas, none of these made the grade this time.
Run #195 Percent Survival on Day
supplement 12 22 32 39 46 51 58
______________________________________________
control one 73 67 46 36 9 0 -
control two 77 65 62 58 31 12 0
ashwaganda 1/16 tsp 67 54 50 38 17 0 -
" 1/8 tsp 56 50 38 25 13 3 0
" 1/4 tsp 62 62 50 35 12 0 -
" 1/2 tsp 62 50 39 19 4 0 -
" 1 tsp 71 52 38 24 5 0 -
bacopa monniera 38 mg 39 35 30 22 0 - -
" 75 mg 68 64 59 55 27 0 -
foo-ti-teng 65 mg 53 42 42 21 11 0 -
" 130 mg 74 66 51 46 37 0 -
gymnema sylvestre 200 mg 44 30 30 22 0 - -
" 400 mg 54 42 38 29 0 - -
muira puama 19 mg 61 57 39 17 9 0 -
" 75 mg 64 44 28 24 12 0 -
" 300 mg 50 45 25 20 10 0 -
triphala 250 mg 55 42 19 19 10 3 0
" 500 mg 44 40 36 24 8 0 -
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Message #27083
From: "The NanoAging Institute" <>
Subject: We search a server for NanoAging, can you help?
Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 19:04:59 -0500
Hi
We are searching a server for NanoAging, the life extension business.
We are getting too much traffic and we cannot handle the site anymore.
We use
Php Nuke for our site and it is using alot of space from my hosting
server.
By the way, I have realised a new interview with a great business man
in the
field, I will show you more later.
--Jon
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Message #27084
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Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2005 23:43:12 EDT
Subject: Re: Under the Premise that Knowledge Is Power:
Hi, again, David Stodolsky.
I will respond here to your latest and will likely read any further
posts you
may make on the subject, however, as "my mission is accomplished" with
my
posting last week, this will likely be my last on the subject, so don't
be
offended if I do not respond further. Neither, of course, should a
lack of
response
on my part be construed as agreement of acceptance with anything
subsequently
posted.
; - )
You write:
"To reach a valid conclusion, requires both facts and logic. Facts are
best obtained from primary sources. Neither Ruppert nor Griffin seem
to appreciate this."
--dss
Wrong facts can be obtained from "primary sources." In the end, it's
the
ability to discern truth from noise that is paramount. Be it education,
experience, intelligence or some combination; and whether it's a
science or an
art or
some combination; or something else altogether, some people
consistently prove
more adept at it than others. And some are just hopelessly and forever
lost;
after all, some presumably decent people voted for little bush and
President
Cheney a second time.
; - )
Anyway, here is some of what I have discerned:
First and foremost, Ruppert and Griffin appreciate truth; they also
appreciate their limitations, as do I. Even if time were not limitation
enough
-- which
it most certainly is (e.g., ask Katrina victims) -- resources would be.
And
any means of resource acquisition can be used to challenge researcher
motivation and integrity (e.g., "profit driven, so must be corrupted,"
or "sure,
but
just look at the political bent of all the funders," etc.). Nicely
circular,
self-fulfilling arguments for those who will not hear (or worse, I'm
afraid,
read). So, with all due respect, a quick change of tactics is in order
for this
final post in response, which, while equally impudent, is also true and
actionworthy (i.e., "Be Prepared," to borrow the Boy Scout's motto).
The imminent passing of Peak Oil (which I do hearby rechristen "Cheap
Oil" --
dcj, Cryonet, September 20, 2005), in concert with increasing global
demand,
is most likely very real and very significant. The full extent of its
effects
-- short, medium and long range -- are the remaining unknowns. Why?
In
short, because I say so.
Regards,
David C. Johnson, Biologist & Commercial Real Estate Appraiser
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