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Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 18:20:20 EDT
Subject: Self regulation / licensing cryonics

In a message dated 10/12/2005 5:00:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Jordan  
Sparks writes:
@cryonet.org writes:


I  know this has been brought up before, but what if we come up with our  own
regulations for the cryonics industry?  We could have our  regulations
available for any lawmakers, state agencies, etc.  It  would hopefully give
them guidelines to follow and show them that we really  have thought it
through.  Each cryonics provider could get 'licensed'  by the self-regulating
group.  I would like to see the  following:

1. License the cryonics storage facility
2. License  individual members of any first response team
3. License individuals  performing the actual suspension
3. Guidelines for personal and public  safety
4. Guidelines for financial matters




(Rudi writes)
 
Actually, I think this IS probably a good idea.  

Although  certainly nontrivial in execution, like most other worthwhile 
endeavors.
 
I would be willing to be on a committee to help promulgate such  standards.  
Although I certainly don't want or need the potential hassles  involved, nor 
does any legitimate cryonics organization, or activists, who is  smart enough 
to actually help make this idea a reality.  
 
And it will probably die on the vine for now, for lack of person to  drive 
and champion the idea.  But if we at least THINK about it, we will be  better 
prepared to move forward at some point in the future.
 
But, conceptually, if we have an UMBRELLA organization looking out the  

credibility of cryonics in general, with reasonable standards of "due  
diligence," 
this COULD be a good thing. 
 
(I hear all my fellow antiauthoritarian libertarian cryonicists squealing  

already!  I bet Charles Platt will not be delighted with the idea...but I  could
be wrong.)
 
Here are my reasons for this observation:
 
1.  Over time, there will be calls for "Regulation," (or rather MORE  
regulation) of cryonics organizations.  We have already seen this with the  AZ 

legislature AND the MI Department of Professional Regulation.  (I think  it was 
the 
DPR...or their equivalent.)
 
While it was handled in both cases with an arguably acceptable result, we  
KNOW this battle...indeed, more of a potential war...is far from over.  The  

single biggest threat to cryonics over deep time is probably not the  technical,
but political issues.  
 
Leon Kass and his cronies think it is good idea if we age and die...and  
these arrogant and wrong headed folks WILL be taking aim at us eventually.  
 
2.  Showing a good faith effort at self regulation could be a  immunization 
against more draconian and horrible regulations. 
 
 (Yes, I hate the R word even MORE than most of you on this list, I  promise. 
 Dealing with the DPR and NASD who provide oversight over my  securities work 
is a constant challenge to those of us in the investment  industry.  But as 

bad as these guys are...and I pretty much hate them...I  hate FRAUD even more.
 Buy me a beer or a cup of coffee sometime and  I will tell you the 
fascinating tale of why this is an emotional issue with  me.)
 
3.  Maybe some simple, common sense verbiage could be drafted which  would at 
least be a start on this concept, without too much controversy.
 
Sample: 

"We the undersigned, in consideration of being licensed by the CRYONICS  
OVERSIGHT BOARD OF STANDARDS, do hereby declare the following to be true:
 
A.  Patients are preserved to the best of our abilities, given the  current 
technology and circumstances surrounding the deanimation of the  patient.
 
B.  Funds are set aside in an separate Patient Care Account for the  long 
term maintenance and possible resuscitation of the patient.  This  amount is 
currently ________.   These funds are set aside in the  following manner:
___________________________________________.
 
There is a protection for these funds assured by the following  protocols:
 
_____________________________________________.

There is an independent review and audit of these funds every ___  months by 
the following CPA firm: _____.   
 
The funds are managed and invested as follows:
 
______________________________________.
 
C.  I think you get the idea.  
 
See, this is becoming a time sponge already.  And it is just in the  

conceptual stages.  And I have cryonics prospects I should be  calling.  About 
30 of 

them in files, with them or me dropping the ball at  times...mostly them, but I
understand, because this decision and mechanics  thereof takes months and 
sometimes years to effect.
 
Any observations?  Anyone join me on the CRYONICS OVERSIGHT BOARD OF  
STANDARDS, or want to head this up?
 
For Centuries,
 
Rudi Hoffman CFP CLU
 
 
 


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