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Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 00:50:31 EDT
Subject: Re: Secure Cryonics Storage, Message #27256

Joseph Morgan writes in Message #27256:

>There are 18 decommissioned Titan II missile sites surrounding Tucson, 
Arizona, 
>an hours drive from the current Alcor facility. These underground facilities 
were 
>designed to take a near-miss with a nuke and are the most secure sites 
available to 
>civilians. The 10 to 20 acre sites are mostly in rural areas yet minutes 
from Tucson 
>International airport. The sites are now privately owned 

>These sites could be purchased, renovated and made suitable for very secure 
cryonics 
>storage. Living quarters could provided for a caretaker / guard. Or critical 
parameters 
>could be monitored by remote computer.  The only obstacle to doing this is 
cost, 
>imagination, and initiative. 

The ones Alcor looked at in the 1990's were expensive to purchase and had 
been stripped of most of the useful wiring and security features.  Many of the 

security doors could not be opened without a lot of electrical work and fitting
them to cryonics standards for patient security, including the ability to 

delivery liquid nitrogen underground and to vent it properly so the staff didn't

die of suffocation was going to be wildly more expensive than seemed worthwhile
at the time.  I don't remember the exact financial details, but the cost was 
going to be millions, which seemed beyond our abilities.  Maybe someday; but 
probably we could build the next Alcor building more exactly the way we want 
it, very securely, for less.  We are not trying to stop a nuclear attack.  If 
Arizona gets hits by nuclear weapons, a cryonics organization in that area is 
not likely to survive very long in any case.

But Mr. Morgan is free to go visit the missile sites and report back.  I 
would ask that he spend some time finding out what the storage and safety 

requirements ARE for a cryonics facility in advance, so he will know if these 
are 
worth the trouble and expense or not.

In general, there are very few of these "great ideas" that have not been 

explored before.  Lack of imagination is not usually the problem.  Times change,
of course, and what was not doable 10 years ago might be doable in the future.

Steve Bridge
former Alcor President


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