X-Message-Number: 27310 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 08:17:11 -0500 From: Thomas Donaldson <> Subject: For J. Davis, and Francois: on revival I am glad that at least one other commentator on Cryonet realized that monkeys, dogs, and cats must be seen as conscious. As someone who has spent time writing about the relation of what we know about brains to the problems of cryonics, I would speak even more definitely here: mammals are conscious, and that consciousness provides plenty of evidence that if we can revive monkeys then we can revive humans too. Reviving rats (for instance) would probably work the same way, but they do differ from us in ways which monkeys do not. Their brains and systems use their nose much more than we or monkeys do. Nothing keeps us, of course, from testing our methods of revival on both rats and monkeys. The main point I'm making here is not just that monkeys, dogs, and cats are conscious, but that neuroscientists have looked at these issues in detail and support that conclusion. I've been reviewing various books on consciousness in CRYONICS and hope to do so further. If you belong to a different cryonics society than you might consider my newsletter PERIASTRON, which discusses work on consciousness in every issue (not theoretical but experimental). Not only that, but I believe you don't have to be a member of Alcor to subscribe to CRYONICS, either Best wishes and long long life for all, Thomas Donaldson Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=27310