X-Message-Number: 27330 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 11:51:39 -0800 (PST) From: Doug Skrecky <> Subject: 6'th update on food satiation experiments This is the sixth update on my food satiation experiments. The 5'th update (copied below) was posted in August 2002. Although a number of years have passed since the early experiments, I recently felt these had been done under somewhat artificial conditions, and more experimentation was warrented under more "real world" conditions, hence this sixth update. These satiation experiments recorded my total calorie intake while consuming a defined diet over the course of one day. The original experiments were done under a rather austere condition, where I ceased eating after no longer feeling any "hunger pangs". However in the "real world" neither I nor virtually anyone else stops eating so easily. Instead under ab libidum conditions humans typically eat more "heartily" while consuming food till it is no longer "fun". With the credo of "eating heartily" recently a further series of one day feeding experiments were completed, as shown below. As expected, calorie intake was increased under "eating heartily" conditions. For low palatability foods average intake increased from 1589 to 2150 calories. For medium palatibility foods intake increased from 2183 to 2240 calories. For high palatibility foods intake increased from 2659 to 3876. In the original "hunger pang" driven experiments calorie intake had no consistent correlation with any obvious food characteristics under low palatability conditions. Low carb, low fat, low density, nothing made any difference. With medium and high palatibility foods low caloric density reduced intake, in some cases down to the level of low palatability foods. One exception was adding water to spaghetti, which unlike adding vegetables did not reduce calorie intake. This difference was accounted for the increased eating time with vegetable laden spaghetti, which did not occur with the mere addition of water. This all confirms numerous experiments detailed in the medical literature regarding sensory specific satiety, and the effects of food bulk on such satiety. Nonetheless the earlier set of experiments proved ultimately to be a failure. Despite adding plenty of vegetables to my meals I have remained overweight. Obviously I had missed something important, and the current series of experiments were directed to identify what this factor was. Under the "eating heartily" condition caloric density became a universal driver of intake, even under low palatability conditions, as witness the increased intake of pecans relative to plain spaghetti. Increased palatability did not always increase intake, as witness the addition of tomatoes to spaghetti. However adding tomatoes would also act to decrease caloric density, so the neutral effect of adding tomatoes could have been expected. One major surprise was the extreme stimulation of appetite which occured with the simple substitution of tomato sauce for tomatoes. This substitution increased intake of spaghetti dinner from a modest 2585 calories to an incredible 3876 calories! The fact that I consume tomato sauce very often, and tomato hardly ever, may possibly be one reason for my lack of weight loss on a vegetable laden diet. Although more experiments will be needed to positively identify the appetite stimulating factor(s) in tomato sauce a preliminary examination of the contents yielded the unexpected fact that sugars accounted for 35% of the calories. Further investigation revealed that most other tomato sauces had even higher amounts of sugars. Here's what I think is happening. Does food taste good? Yes - eat more. Does food still taste good? Yes - it is sweet - eat lots more. Repeat the this many times, until completely stuffed to the gills. As a tentative hypothesis sweetness induced appetite stimulation might be the secret behind the immense sales of tomato sauces to an unsuspecting and rather often over-weight public. Personally, I would never consider adding several tablespoons of sugar to every supper meal, but that is exactly what is happening every time tomato sauce is used in place of tomatoes. Summary: Calorie intake appears to be driven by two main factors. These are increased palatability and increased caloric density. With sufficiently high palatability it becomes difficult to decrease caloric density enough to offset this. Thus palatability presumedly must also be decreased for sustainable weight loss to be feasible. (LOW PALATABILITY - eating heartily) DAILY CALORIC FOOD DENSITY INTAKE ___________________________________________________ spaghetti (by itself) medium 1964 pecans high 2335 average: 2150 MEDIUM PALATABILITY - eating heartily)DAILY CALORIC FOOD DENSITY INTAKE ___________________________________________________ rice/tomatoes medium 1874 spaghetti/tomatoes medium 1892 soup low 1931 spaghetti/cheese/tomatoes medium 2585 cashews high 2917 average: 2240 (HIGH PALATABILITY - eating heartily) DAILY CALORIC FOOD DENSITY INTAKE ___________________________________________________ spaghetti/cheese/tomato sauce medium 3876 !! average: 3876 Food details: Cheese: No-Name fat free process Rice: Lunberg Basmati brown rice Soup: Campbell's Bean & Bacon Spaghetti: Catelli durum whole wheat semolina Tomatoes: fresh, unsalted, diced & boiled Tomato sauce: Catelli Country Mushroom (35% sugar) ############################################################## This is the fifth update on my food satiation experiments, in which I compare my own ad libitum calorie intake of various foods over a period of one day. Recently I examined the effect of caloric density on caloric intake of spagetti. Daily intake of high palatibility spaghetti was 2938 calories. Mixing 1.25 liters of water with the spaghetti in a separate test on a different day yielded an intake of 2964 calories. However replacing the water with 1.09 liter of cauliflower reduced total intake to just 1576 calories, without changing palatibility. Substituting 1.03 liter of broccoli for the cauliflower yielded an intake of 1606 calories, but palatibility was reduced to medium levels. The amount of chewing, as well as the total time to consume the spaghetti was increased when cauliflower, or broccoli, but not water was added. At another extreme I tried eating nothing but low palatability blanched almonds all day. To my great surprise intake was the lowest in the test, at 1320 calories. I have found that decreasing caloric density usually reduces intake in medium and high palatability foods. Apparently the key factor is the time taken to eat the food. In contrast low caloric density exerts no beneficial effect in low palatability foods. The two lowest intakes were for almonds, and rye bread. Both of these foods were eaten mostly during snacks, and major meals were themselves spontaneously replaced by large snacks. It appears snacking a lot may slightly reduce intake of low palatability foods. (LOW PALATABILITY) DAILY CALORIC FOOD DENSITY INTAKE ___________________________________________________ almonds high 1320 rye bread medium 1388 Gala apples low 1413 chicken breast low 1478 rye crispbread high 1564 rice cake with turkey, mustard low 1602 vegetables/cottage cheese very low 1768 potato (skipped lunch next day) low 2179 average: 1589 MEDIUM PALATABILITY) DAILY CALORIC FOOD DENSITY INTAKE ___________________________________________________ spaghetti & 1.02 liter broccoli low 1606 yogurt, fruit, no fat & Gala apples low 1976 2% fat chocolate milk medium 2100 yogurt, fruit, sugar medium 2354 rye sandwich with turkey, mustard medium 2371 peanuts (malabsorption) high 2689 average: 2183 (HIGH PALATABILITY) DAILY CALORIC FOOD DENSITY INTAKE ___________________________________________________ yogurt, fruit, no fat low 1483 spaghetti & 1.09 liter cauliflower low 1576 angel food cake, jam medium 2936 spaghetti medium 2938 spaghetti & 1.25 liter water low 2964 cookies & chili high 4055 average: 2659 Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=27330