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From: "John de Rivaz" <>
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Subject: Re: family cryostat?
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 10:25:16 -0000

Hospitals are known for having scientific rigour but not treating patients
as individuals, just items on an assembly line. Hence people flock to
alternative therapists who give hours of personal time and form caring
relationships with their patients. This is despite the fact that  most
people realise that the therapies they offer often have no sound basis in
science (even if they don't admit it).

I think it would be a great mistake if cryonics fell into this category of
not offering the "caring" as well as the technology, even though the
patients themselves are unaware of anything whilst cryopreserved. What
matters is the image to the public at large most of whom have heard of
cryonics, but few take the time to evaluate it seriously. If they take the
point that they and their loved ones would be better looked after than with
conventional procedures, then they may take more time to evaluate cryonics
properly.

It may well be that the proposals made by  David Verbeke will cost more, but
as long as people are offered the opportunity then they can vote with their
check books. This happens already in countries with government run health
services. A thriving industry exists where patients can pay lots of money to
be treated as sentient beings when receiving treatment. The quality of the
science side of the treatment is no different whether you use the government
service paid for by general taxation or the "private" service usually paid
for by insurance, which is bought from already taxed income. The premiums
are certainly not trivial and rise every year well beyond general inflation,
as well as rising with the patient's age.

-- 
Sincerely, John de Rivaz:  http://John.deRivaz.com for websites including
Cryonics Europe, Longevity Report, The Venturists, Porthtowan, Alec Harley
Reeves - inventor, Arthur Bowker - potter, de Rivaz genealogy,  Nomad .. and
more

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> From: "David Verbeke" <>
> Subject: RE: CryoNet #27401-Anthony
> Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2005 12:07:18 +0000
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> Dear Anthony,
>
> The idea of a family freezer is certainly interesting, also from a
> commercial point of view.  The same feelings are playing as family members
> who wish to be buried together.
>
> The problem would be that all family members don't die at the same time.
So
> to maintain a cryostat (=keeping LN at it's level) for one or two persons
> (when the first family members die) would be very expensive.  The problem
> could be solved by putting familiy members together when new relatives
die,
> and deplacing the 'strangers' in that cryostat one by one.  That could
maybe
> be offered at an extra charge.
>
> The other question is how far cryonics organisations want to go into
> offering such services that would link them more to a regular cemetry and
> have nothing to do anymore with the rational concept of cryonics, but with
> the emotional (but understandable) wishes of persons.
>
> David Verbeke
> Cryonics  Belgium
>
>
> ,>Taking this into account, it seems to me that the "cryonics  movement"
> would
> >benefit from encouraging families to opt for cryonics (rather than
aiming
> >cryonics at individuals), by offering a financial incentive, or  making
> >this
> >message more clear in the small amount of advertising involved. (I
> >believe that
> >CI offers reduced rates for children.) Maybe in the near future it  might

> >be
> >possible to arrange cryonics patients in cryostats so that the  bodies
> >share
> >their space with other family members rather than strangers? This  could
> >be a
> >service offered for family sign-ups. As a father of 4 (soon to be  5 :)
> >I think
> >my immediate family (should they hopefully choose cryonics) would  be
> >able to
> >take up a small cryostat all by ourselves :)
> >
> >Just a thought.
>
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