X-Message-Number: 27491 From: Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 02:17:58 EST Subject: For Animal Activists' Consideration For Animal Activists' Consideration From page 114 of Robert C.W. Ettinger's (founder the Cryonics Movement) 2005 book "YOUNIVERSE": "In recent centuries, in America and Europe, there has been more or less steadily rising sentiment for humane treatment of the lower orders. "Are dogs and cats people? "Not only dogs and cats, but rats and pigs too, and birds and cetaceans, as well as non-human primates, certainly have both considerable intelligence and--indisputably--the capacity for subjective experience or feeling. This latter is the primary feature of life as we know it, the basis of consciousness, and it is clearly the most Important criterion of personhood. I therefore assert categorically that all these creatures--and possibly others lower on the evolutionary ladder --should be thought of as people. "This does not mean that we should accord them citizenship or equal standing before the law, or equate their welfare with our own, or address them as Sir or Madam, or demand that they be clothed for the sake of modesty. For the foreseeable future, such extremes are simply not feasible. "As a practical matter, there are rather narrow limits on what we can do, or are willing to do, even for distant humans. Eventually, however, we will need to assume more responsibility for our lesser brethren..." Further, he may even exhibit loftier aspirations than the of the typical Animal Activist with his thoughts on the future of the cattle and poultry industry; and he at least acknowledges the sensitivities of some for other life forms which might be beneath the typical Animal Activist's sympathies (however, he does draw the line--for now--with greens): : - ) "It is doubtless a good idea to honor the big-hearted, the emphatic, the generous, and to strive to enlarge those qualities in ourselves--within reason. "But it does seem a stretch to take care--as the Jains of India are said to do--not to tread on an ant or a worm and to hold all (animal?) life sacred. I do believe the time will come--and not so far off either--when mammals and birds will no longer be raised for slaughter, but instead we will eat culture-grown meat that was never part of an animal. "Yet some go further and talk to their plants and aim eventually not even to eat vegetation. Call me backward, but I find it hard to get excited about the rights of spinach. Even so, I also agree that--eventually--we will match the plants in our ability to eat a mixture of sunshine, water, air and dirt. Maybe we will even learn to enjoy it and share recipes..." I have visited the Cryonics Institute's lab facilities and have no doubt the few lab rats used there each year are treated as humanely as possible. All things considered the Animal Activist Movement should probably consider the Cryonics Movement an ally. David C. Johnson, Commercial Real Estate Appraiser & Biologist Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" [ AUTOMATICALLY SKIPPING HTML ENCODING! ] Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=27491