X-Message-Number: 27593 From: "Valera Retyunin" <> Subject: The Day-long Snack of Flavonoid Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 05:38:20 +0300 Ogres are humanholics. An ogre starts out the day with a live, wholesome human. Today it's a particularly fine specimen called Flavonoid. No mustard or ketchup will pollute the ogre's delicacy. He loves his human snack so he likes to make it last, and not to unreasonably over-indulge. An hour or two goes by, and Flavonoid still has all limbs and most of the torso left. But the ogre's favourite part - the head with its delicious brain - is already missing. The ogre also likes humans warm and writhing. He needs a "refill". The ogre rings up the caterer. The caterer brings a fresh supply of humans and starts to remove Flavonoid's remains, but the ogre objects strenuously "Stop! I really like this particular guy! His brain was really scrumptious! Could you please restore him to what his was before." The caterer is a futuristic ogre supplier, he has a powerful human replicator and an exact copy of Flavonoid stored (and maybe even running) on a powerful super-handheld. So he creates an exact, living, biological copy of Flavonoid to the ogre's delight. He even uses what's left of the original Flavonoid (very practical indeed - why waste a few pieces of highly-organised organic matter). The ogre's appetite is voracious, and it's not long before the Flavonoid's copy's head is bitten off and gulped down. The ogre needs to call the caterer again and ask for another portion of Flavonoid a la naturel. "Certainly, sir!" And on it goes. Question: What is common between the ogre and his Flavonoid snack? Answer: Both the ogre and Flavonoid (and other patternists for that matter) have the same definition of Flavonoid's identity. They would say that the copy of Flavonoid writhing in the ogre's hand at the end of the day after a dozen "refills" is still Flavonoid. Patternists would add that the guy simply had a bad day, and still has a chance to escape the ordeal. Oh, yes, they would also say that the surviving copy's confidence that it really is Flavonoid proves categorically that it *really* is. And if that's not enough, Flavonoid's friends and family would recognise the copy as Flavonoid, wouldn't they? Our definitions of identity could be very different depending on what we consider important and what not. Flavonoid, you don't believe your coffee has a consciousness, do you? And if it had, would you care to preserve it? You are perfectly entitled to choose your own definition of identity. After all, if an ogre can be a patternist with respect to humans, why can't you. I have a feeling though that you are making a mistake that may well cost you your head. Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=27593