X-Message-Number: 2790 From: Ralph Merkle <> Subject: CRYONICS Cryonics and Future Medical Technology Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994 15:09:59 PDT Cryonics and Future Medical Technology There has been some recent discussion about the relationship between nanotechnology and cryonics. It would seem more appropriate to discuss the relationship between future medical technology and cryonics. To illustrate this point, consider "Cryonics, cryptanalysis, and maximum likelihood estimation" (which will appear in the proceedings of the recent Extropy conference). This paper considers the application of cryptanalytic methods to the recovery of information about neuronal connectivity from frozen brain tissue; a particular method used to determine the wiring in World War II rotor machines can be adapted to determine the neuronal wiring when partial or incomplete information is available (i.e., as a result of damage caused by a poor suspension in which there was significant ischemic time, poor perfusion of cryoprotecant, etc). The application of cryptanalytic methods to cryonics is largely unrelated to nanotechnology, yet it is relevant if we are to estimate the ability of future medical technology to revive a frozen patient. Likewise, other technologies will no doubt be relevant to future medical capabilities and yet not be closely related to nanotechnology. Before considering the kinds of damage that future medical technology might reasonably be able to reverse, it is worth pointing out that the critical issues facing cryonics today are not primarily technical in nature but are instead more fundamentally bound up with human attitudes, emotions and beliefs. Not too long ago some Southern California coroners deliberately subjected an Alcor suspension patient to over 24 hours of warm ischemia (he'd been shot in the head). In the various legal actions that have been pursued in California courts, I do not recall anyone arguing that cryonics was either infeasible or improbable, nor do I have any reason to believe that the coroners in question would have claimed that cryonics was infeasible had they been asked about the subject. The action taken was directly contrary to the wishes of the patient, and did not further the coroners supposedly legitimate duty to conduct an informative autopsy. Indeed, rapid cooling would likely have been helpful in preserving additional detail. The individuals responsible have not been punished, nor is there even any consideration that such a course of action might be appropriate. In short, not only is it possible that they killed him, they wouldn't even argue that they hadn't. They'd say they were just doing their job. And they'd do it again. Clearly, the current social and legal context is not optimal for those interested in long term survival. Or consider that there are over 5 billion people on the planet (most of whom profess that saving lives is good and ending lives is bad) and that only a few thousand take a serious interest in cryonics: a method of quite literally saving the lives of billions of people. Perhaps some percentage of these people are perfectly rational individuals who would adopt cryonics if they thought it would work and are merely unpersuaded that it is feasible. Anyone with any experience in cryonics, however, is well aware that most people's response to cryonics has little to do with rationality and logic. A common attitude was expressed by Southard (a cryobiologist) in a debate on national television: people are supposed to die and saving lives of people who are "too old" is a bad idea. It is also common for people to argue against cryonics on the grounds that it might result in overpopulation: this casual suggestion that mass murder is a suitable method of dealing with concerns about population is completely at variance with normal ethical standards. The fundamental issue in cryonics today, therefore, is to understand and change this rather odd attitude; to arouse at least some small percentage of the population from their hypnotic indifference to their imminent demise and focus their activities on some simple strategies for staying alive. Cryonics is not the only such strategy: many researchers pursuing the goal of extending human life span have noted that support for such activities is curiously small, and that overt hostility is not an uncommon response. There are, of course, many ways to gain greater acceptance for cryonics. Legal action has been used and has resulted in a beneficial improvement in the behavior of some officials, notably officials of the California Department of Health Services, who view the increased record keeping burden (someone who was frozen and revived would cause confusion in mortality statistics) as a sufficient reason to kill people. The court records with their arguments are matters of public record and are both extremely amusing and utterly horrifying. "There is also an overwhelming public purpose for ensuring that only recognized types of disposition are being carried out, especially in light of the facts of this case. Cryonic suspension, as practiced by Alcor, presents serious questions regarding public health and mortality statistics. Should cryonically suspended people be considered 'dead' or should a separate category of 'suspended' people be created? How should such people be registered in official records?" "...what would happen to such estate and assets if and when cryonic suspension is successful and the decedent is restored to life? Whose identity is the person to assume or be assigned and what of the record of the person's death?" Fortunately, the courts were not impressed. "These are, of course, but a few of the presently imaginable conundrums which could arise should Alcor at some future time actually succeed in reviving the currently dead. Nonetheless, we are confident that those persons who will then head our various branches of government will be far wiser than we and entirely capable of resolving such dilemmatic issues without our assistance." Stories that present cryonics as reasonable and life saving are also useful. The recent episode of "Picket Fences," though intended primarily to entertain and amuse, still presented cryonics to a broad audience in a fashion that is likely to illicit sympathy and interest in many. Direct one-on-one contact with friends, relatives, coworkers and others has proven effective. Television, newspapers and other news media simply can't substitute for a conversation with someone you know. Simple questions and simple answers ("Ohhh! You pay for it with life insurance!") can clear up concerns that would otherwise go unaddressed. Some are influenced by impressive facilities and reasonable finances. There is a certain feeling of confidence that comes from an impressive building that has the right "look." And there must be adequate money to pay for the liquid nitrogen, and financial safeguards to insure that the money stays safe. Some are influenced by organizational stability and cohesiveness. An organization with a well known and well understood set of objectives, with officers and staff who understand and share those objectives and will continue despite adversity is an asset that can favorably influence many. Some are of the opinion that logic and rationality, feeble forces though they may be in the human psyche, should be pursued as well. There is evidence that at least some people can be persuaded by this approach. Articles in scientific and technical journals, presentations at conferences, discussions of the technical issues: these are all part of the modern scientific approach. Asked to choose which course of action to pursue, different people pursue different approaches. Some might support the Hemlock Society in their quest to legalize "death with dignity." Some might take direct legal action, or pursue a career in law to make sure appropriate and effective legal actions are taken in a timely fashion. Some might make money and use it to support cryonics directly. Some might pursue a successful career as a writer, adding cryonics to the plot whenever they can slip it in. How much help have we received from the writers of "Picket Fences" and other shows and stories? Some might talk with friends and relatives. Some might pursue a career in cryobiology, thus gaining acceptance from that community, providing evidence that cryonics will work, and improving suspension methods. All these and more need to be pursued simultaneously. There are many things that need to be accomplished to make cryonics a success (and I hasten to add I have touched on only a few here -- there are many others). Not everyone either can or should attempt to do all of them. As more people enter cryonics, each individual will decide where and how much they can help. Some will be content to pay their dues and hope for the best. Others will want to take a more active role and try to improve some part for the betterment of all. There are many ways of contributing, and I expect that all these contributions will help. Each person will add to the whole, and almost none will leave it smaller by their efforts (though I'll make an exception for Nelson...). Which brings us to that small minority of us that put our faith in logic and rationality. Here, the question is simple: will cryonics work? To persuade those who act on evidence and logic the path is clear. There are two main issues: how much damage is done during suspension? And what kinds of damage will future medical technology be able to reverse? Clearly, we would like to minimize damage while at the same time maximizing the abilities of future medical technology. We would like suspension technologies that would let us simply warm the patient up, and repair technologies that can revive a patient after substantial delay, ischemia, and freezing injury. For various reasons, it is my opinion that to gain substantial acceptance of cryonics in the technical and medical communities it will be necessary to both show that suspension damage can and is being minimized, and also to show that future medical technologies will be able to reverse substantially greater injuries than typically occur in a suspension. While many people have thought about both parts of this problem, most have emphasized one aspect or the other. This emphasis allows a more detailed and accurate analysis than would be possible if an attempt were made by a single individual to simultaneously pursue both. Different individuals also vary in their backgrounds, career choices, and interests and so it is natural for one person to emphasize that aspect of the problem which fits more easily with other aspects of their life. Such diversity is healthy and should be encouraged. It is also the case that different people are more influenced by conclusions from one area or the other. Some are more impressed with (for example) experimental work which recovers mammals after several hours at low temperature, while others are more impressed by work showing that future medical technologies should be able to reverse even severe injuries. Various efforts to determine which is "really" more important miss the fundamental point that different people in the world today can be more effectively persuaded by different approaches: pursuit of both areas is important. Opinions about what course of action will most effectively increase the probability of success of cryonics are varied. These differences depend not only on differing interpretations of available evidence and differing levels of expertise in differing aspects of the problem, but also on differing objectives. The objectives of (1) the terminally ill patient facing certain death within a few months differ from (2) the objectives of the older person who expects to survive perhaps another decade which differ from (3) the objectives of the younger person who might or might not need cryonic suspension at all which differ from (4)the objectives of the healthy person with a loved one in suspension. This is only a small sampling of the varying motives that people can bring to this issue. Given the broad range of circumstances and the widely differing backgrounds and types of knowledge it is unsurprising that diverse courses of action have been proposed. As we discuss and evaluate the alternative courses of action that are available, it is worthwhile to remember that people who disagree with us do not necessarily do so because of either intellectual inferiority or hideous personality defects. As an example, some think that current suspenion technologies have a relatively high probability of success. Some think the probability of success is moderate or low. There is room for disagreement, and discussion of this issue would seem likely to improve our collective knowledge of this subject. To be useful, however, such discussions must make apparent to a broader audience facts, lines of logic and concepts that were previously apparent to only a few. While determining the reason or reasons which cause anothers opinion to differ from our own can be difficult (much like debugging a program, in some respects), the results can often be illuminating. Differing implicit assumptions, different backgrounds, errors, etc. can all play a role. The creation of unpleasant sounding labels and their application to those foolish individuals who fail to agree with our own wise and perceptive views is an old tradition among humans, but it is a tradition that can breed factionalism and divisiveness. Calling people names might feel good, but it both divides us and leaves us no wiser than before. A better approach is to deal with the individual differences one at a time, gradually making explicit the implicit assumptions, and gradually bringing clarity to the subject. There will likely remain some disagreements, but it is my experience that they will not be over trivial issues that are easily resolved, but rather over difficult issues where the preponderance of evidence is not yet entirely clear and where people of good will can reasonably disagree. Explicitly identifying such areas is useful, for others can then focus on resolving the issues (either by experimentation or theoretical analysis or both). We are few and the world is large. Success is likely but not assured, and depends on cooperation. We should encourage forms of discussion that are likely to clarify and enlighten, and discourage attempts to label one or another group in ways that encourage division and factionalism but bring no gain in our understanding of the issues, of the world, and of ourselves. Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=2790