X-Message-Number: 27909 From: "Jordan Sparks" <> Subject: RE: Choosing the time Date: Thu, 4 May 2006 07:05:57 -0700 No you haven't been trolled; I just get real tired of all the supplement talk. And it's not that I'm a novice either. I've done it all, including 4 years of strict CR, maintaining myself at 125 lbs instead of my usual 150 lbs. Now I realize that everyone's situation is different, and for many people, my comments are a false dichotomy. But for my situation, it is a quite rational conclusion. I live with a wife who prefers meat and potatoes. Her idea of eating healthy is to make sure you get a green vegetable on the plate, even if it's dripping in bacon fat. So it would sort of tick her off if I didn't eat any of her food at all. But married men live longer... Maybe when I'm older, exercise will improve my efficiency, but currently, it does not. And it probably won't help me live longer. I just see a lot of people who pursue exercise as a key to health and longevity. They spend an awful lot of time at it, and they might actually be shortenning their life span. For example, riding a bike or paddling a canoe might seem like good exercise, and therefore, very healthy and life promoting. But they also increase your risk of getting hit by a car or drowning. Getting hit by a car might terminate your brain quite effectively. So, thinking like an immortal, riding a bike is a VERY bad idea unless it is on a slow path where there are no vehicles. Your point about obesity, however, is very important. Those of you who are overweight need to think very hard about the consequences of that extra weight during your transport and preservation. My example of buying services from multiple providers was an exaggeration. My main point was that we have very few years to live. None of us is going to beat old age no matter how hard we try. Are you really sure you are spending your very limited time effectively? Are you sure a "kit" is going to be enough? With the extremely high stakes, wouldn't you put more effort and money into it than a few hours a month? For example, wouldn't it make sense to have a state of the art facility in Northern California? Look at the example of the SA facility. There's just so much more that can be done. I may sound extreme, and I know some people easily burn out. But the stakes are very high. If I increase my chance of survival by 1%, and my life expectancy is a few trillion years, then I've just added tens of billions of years to my probable life span. Just remember that none of us have backups of our minds yet, and modern medicine does not yet include 24 hour monitoring of all vital functions, let alone the ability to actually repair much of anything. We do not have a safety net. We are not used to thinking like immortals. I'm just trying to get people to think outside the box a little. Jordan Sparks Original post------------------- Exercise is just 3 times a week for me... You have to eat anyway... I maintain Alcor's kit in Northern California. It takes a few hours per month. If you're fit and on a decent diet, you'll be able to work better... If you aren't obese, then your transport team will need fewer people... Buying services from multiple suspension providers is counter-productive... You're creating a false dichotomy here. On second thought, I think I've been trolled; your point of view seems deliberately stupid. Oh well, I'll post this anyway. Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=27909