X-Message-Number: 28137
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:37:57 -0600
From: "Anthony ." <>
Subject: Re: economics

> From: "John de Rivaz" <>
> Subject: economics
> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 10:55:10 +0100

> The use of force to impose ideas makes the extreme left and right very
> similar.

The use of force is not the sole purview of the political extremes.
Even if you think an average war or police action launched by centrist
parties is fine, you'd still consider their taxes to be force.

> That is why they will always fail eventually.

This is simplistic. Use of force does not set one up for failure. They
all fail eventually because every political movement is eventually
usurped.

> People object to
> being forced to do things. ("Nazi" = "National Socialist")

Until perhaps later when, say, a phobic person is forced to face a
stay in hospital which saves his life.

BTW, Nazi stands for National Socialist German Workers Party. Just as
they did not represent all workers or Germans, they also did not
represent all socialists or nationalists. Furthermore, it is quite
clear from Hitler's collusion with Big Biz that the party was hardly
socialist at all. Indeed, the leftist socialists of the party were
mostly killed in the Night of the Long Knives.

> > Again, unless you consider tax force
>
> of course it is, it is enforced by violence if people don't pay.

And if people don't pay, what happens to schools, hospitals, roads,
social services, civic services, etc. etc.?

Sometimes you have to force people to do things. E.g. you have to
force them to acknowledge the dangers of HIV by imposing (tax-paid)
health-campaigns upon the landscape, media, and national consciousness
generally.

> If anyone
> other than someone working for and on behalf of a government takes money
> this way it is a criminal offence punished with great severity.

Punished using taxes of course.

> Gates and Buffet ... are trying to change the world by putting
> their funds where they think they are best spent. It is their money, they
> make the choice.

As I keep trying to point out, "your" money is connected to the global
economic situation. This is why "your" money isn't really "your" money
at all. This is partly why people get taxed - a democractically
elected government decides how you are obliged to spend some of the
money in your possession on social issues which require funds - this
is a matter of social responsibility. Kind of like forcing contrary
and spoilt children to brush their teeth after gorging on candy.

Anthony

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