X-Message-Number: 28197
From: "John de Rivaz" <>
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Subject: Re: use of force
Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 11:24:36 +0100

> ... What if my Canadian government creates a
> new immigration policy barring English immigrants, which I then
> support. This would - had I not been born - prevent my existence from
> preventing my English father and Canadian mother from meeting,
> creating the paradox you describe. Is this also a problem for you?

This demonstrates very well that the use of force by gangs of people (for
example governments and lawyers) to impose their will on other individuals
is very dangerous and must be applied only in exceptional circumstances (eg
a rule to say which side of the road people drive on, rules of ownership of
property and so on).

If migration controls were relaxed all at once chaos would ensure, but they
should never have been there in the first place. It is no more logical to
say that someone cannot move from the UK to Canada than to say that they
cannot move from town A to town B, or street A to street B or apartment A to
apartment B or from one side of a room to another. Maybe one day the people
of the world will realise this, and migration controls can be relaxed in an
orderly manner.

Before the age of the railways, it took longer to go by horse drawn carriage
from London to Penzance than it now takes to go from London to Auckland by
aeroplane. Yet it was perfectly legal for someone to relocate between London
and Penzance even though the journey took many days. London to Auckland
today by air is about one day, but relocating between the cities either way
is illegal except in defined circumstances.

There will always be anomalies. Consider the ideas of NF Fyodorov -- the
human race should and will recover all its dead by scientific means
(assuming this is possible). People can't be asked whether they want to be
reanimated. They could be reanimated and then offered annihilation, but that
is a bit of a leading question - once they are reanimated, even if they
didn't really want it, few are likely to chose to be exterminated.

Cryonics is very different -- by taking the trouble to make suitable
arrangements, people have clearly indicated that they do want reanimation.

But if those that want to impose ideas on others by force have their way,
they can impose the idea of exterminating cryonics patients, by regarding
them as "frozen bodies" and not people.

I therefore conclude that all cryonics supporters should be enthusiasts of
minimum government.

-- 
Sincerely, John de Rivaz:  http://John.deRivaz.com for websites including
Cryonics Europe, Longevity Report, The Venturists, Porthtowan, Alec Harley
Reeves - inventor, Arthur Bowker - potter, de Rivaz genealogy,  Nomad .. and
more

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