X-Message-Number: 28214 Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 06:59:21 -0700 (PDT) From: human screener <> Subject: TMT: TimesUK article-->DNA blacklist-->Cryonics for embryos Continuation from http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=28211 While I'm waiting for a copy of the DNA blacklist, I wonder if anyone here thinks Alcor or CI would be willing or able-- or not-- to store cryopreserved zygotes or embryos for future repair, reanimation, adoption and implantation? Reference links for any previous good discussion-- if any has been done on this-- would be appreciated. Thanks. This train of thought originated with the problem I percieved with Mark supporting a program that could very well be discarding zygotes that have DNA in common with him-- as opposed to being discarded for serious disease. (Click back through the continuation links at the top of this series of posts.) The way I viewed it, either there was an inconsistency in Mark's position (maybe a paradox) or Mark was expressing a view motivated by a DNA-suicide complex to wipe itself out. Another interesting way to deal with that paradox, it seems to me, is by cryopreserving discarded zygotes. Anthony touched on that briefly-- but maybe it's central to the case here-- particularly because this is Cryonet and we discuss cryonics-related things here. Cryopreserving embryos is becoming a very big industry-- apparently-- and getting bigger. [19] Alcor or CI could offer extra services to frozen-embryo storage centers a chance for really long term storage with the intention to reanimate and reimplant in the far future-- at least in cases where the choice comes down to long term storage or destruction. As it turns out, labs charge higher and higher amounts to parents to keep unused frozen embryos for longer and longer periods of time making long term storage too expensive for parents who are then forced to destroy the frozen embryo. Alcor or CI could come to the rescue and offer low-cost really-long term storage-- relieving the parents of emotional stress. A cooperative mechanism could be set up with the embryo donation center to select a frozen embryo at any time for reanimation and implantation. The resulting person would be grandfathered into a cryonics policy somehow so that the new motto for human existence would change from From dust you were created and to dust you shall return to From stasis you were reanimated and to stasis you may return . This may already be in effect for some who were born from frozen zygotes beginning in 1984. Those guys are now 26 years old and younger. I would think that they'd be hanging around cryonics by now. Are any current readers here an ex-frozen embryo? More to my point-- does anyone here think Alcor or CI are able or willing to store frozen embryos? I'll ask them myself soon-- in further updates to this thread-- an example of a "continuity thread" any can create on Cryonet with a backlink their previous post-- a writing style innovation you may all copy. Monkey see monkey do works. (see latest SciAm). [19] National Embryo Donation Center http://www.embryodonation.org/donors_donationdecision.php __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=28214