X-Message-Number: 28318 From: "Jordan Sparks" <> Subject: Mechanical CPS Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 22:20:23 -0700 Still trying to come up with a design for my mechanical CPS device. I had pretty much settled on duplicating the function of the thumper when someone suggested that a chest band would be preferrable. AutoPulse: www.zoll.com . From descriptions I've read, the band contracts quite suddenly and forcefully. Could be a geared motor or it could be a solenoid. Theirs is $15,000, but that surely includes expensive batteries, FDA approval, retail markup, marketting, etc, etc. So a homemade version couldn't be more than a few thousand. For instance, I'd go with really cheap batteries, and just plug into a wall or vehicle outlet for most of the trip. Even assuming a simple solenoid, there's a significant complexity to submersing electronics in water. But why this new alternative? Well, the main complaints with the Thumper seem to be the noise, bulk, and complexity. Unfortunately, I don't think a homemade band device is going to be all that quiet, sleek, or simple. I think the basic concept of the Thumper is perfect. Size and weight can be improved, especially if we do without the decompression portion of it. For example, imagine a fist sized box that gets strapped to the top of the chest and hooked to an air line. A fist-sized cylinder has enough power to compress a few inches. You don't have to have that big metal frame arching over the top of everything. And there must be cylinders and valves that are quiet. Or mufflers or something. The valving can all be underneath in a heavily soundproofed box. It will be controlled electronically. So, moving the actuator under the patient might remain a possibility in the future, but I'm still going to have my first version be top-mounted pneumatic. There could still be a band to strap it on to the patient, and I think it could be more compact than the AutoPulse except for the requirement to hook it up to a tank of O2. I might look into paintball canisters or something along those lines for a very portable version. Time to order my (fairly expensive) cylinder and hope I get it right the first time. Jordan Sparks Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=28318