X-Message-Number: 28640
From: "Chris Manning" <>
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Subject: Re: baby born 13 years later
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2006 23:43:33 +1100

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> Message #28639
> From: "Mark Plus" <>
> Subject: Baby born a record 13 years after embryo was frozen
> Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2006 21:14:32 -0800
> What a HORRIBLE thing to do to a human being, ripping it from its 
> historical
> context and casting it into an alien future world where it doesn't belong!

But it doesn't have any 'historical context'. I don't know what year you 
were born in, but let's call it year x. You have always assumed, as one 
does, that you were conceived 9 months earlier. Now, suppose your parents 
informed you that you were actually conceived in the year (x - 13), allowed 
to grow to embryo stage and then frozen. You would not say you had been 
'ripped from your context', would you?

Sure, that child 'missed' everything that happened between 1993 and 2006, 
but will probably see things it would otherwise have missed, at the other 
end of its life. How can anyone say which option is the better?

Besides, aren't most of us here planning to rip ourselves from our 
historical context and cast ourselves into an alien future world (i.e. 
undergo cryonic suspension and hopefully get revived)?

> Mark Plus
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/story/0,,1939377,00.html
> Baby born a record 13 years after embryo was frozen
> Giles Tremlett in Madrid
> Saturday November 4, 2006
> The Guardian
> The child could have been born in 1993 but its first experience of the 
> world
> came 13 years later, or nine months after an embryo was pulled out of the
> freezer at a Spanish fertility clinic.
> The clinic in Barcelona is claiming the world record for having brought
> about the birth of what could be termed the world's oldest baby. Conceived
> in a laboratory dish, but not used at the time, the embryo sat at minus 
> 196C
> in a freezer cabinet awaiting its adoptive parents.

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