X-Message-Number: 29065 Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 06:45:34 -0800 (PST) From: un person <> Subject: growth and bustin' outta da ghetto....repost amended reply (see addendum to end of reply) on the cold filter forum, Charles platt wrote: Growth: What happened? February 3 2007 at 11:58 PM Charles Platt (Login cplatt) Veteran Member Today I ran across a memo from Mark Voelker, who was a director of Alcor when he wrote the document. Mark originated the very interesting idea of unbundling cryonics services, but what caught my attention in his memo were his predictions for future growth: ALCOR'S GROWTH: A PROJECTION Assuming a steady growth rate of 36% per year in suspension membership, we are likely to have, for the next 12 years, the following growth: Present 3 Yrs 6 Yrs 9 Yrs 12 Yrs ------- ----- ----- ----- ------ suspension members 320 805 2025 5093 12812 patients in suspension(1) 25 64 156 388 971 annual revenues(2) $210k $528k $1.33M $3.34M $8.41M patient care fund(3) $800k $2.05M $5.00M $12.4M $31.1M Notes: 1) Assumes a constant suspension rate of 2 per 100 members per year; 2) Assumes dues and donations rates per member are same as at present; 3) Assumes the ratio (PCTF assets/No. of patients) is the same as at present. I have tried to preserve the formatting of the original by specifying Courier font. Here's the interesting part: Mark (who is a good scientist, and not normally prone to fits of wishful thinking) made his prediction in 1992. His 12-year prediction should have come true a couple of years ago. Something, obviously, went wrong, and not just at Alcor; CI has experienced similarly modest growth during the past decade. ////////////////////////////////// My reply is: See this graph: http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/9362/decaycurvekc1.gif See the graph above? I direct your attention in particular to the red curve on top. This curve represents one of the most common physical phenomenon in the universe. The curve represents change when dealing with a limited supply of something. For example, when you fill your car tire with air--there is a limited supply of tire volume. Thus, as you can see from the curve, there is at first a very fast growth rate of tire air pressure, but as time goes on, the tire pressure growth gets slower and slower. Diminishing returns, Etc. You are probably already familiar with this phenomenon. This curve is the major factor in the growth curve of cryonics. It does not in and of itself represent the sole force in hte growth of cryonics. There are other factors that help to create the growth graph of cryonics. For example, population growth. Unlike the tire volume, humans reproduce themselves. But the reason we have not lived up to Voelker's predictions is that the above curve describes the dominant force in cryonics growth. Namely, the supply of people who are psychologically suited to signing up with cryonics (as it is presently "branded" (more on that later)) is a very small percentage of the population. Cryonics membership is primarily composed of a certain personality type--uber-rationalist, iconoclastic, alienated, poorly-socialized, steeped-in-science-fiction, quasi-aspergian "internet dork." And that is a very small subset of the population. (Among them being people who can use the word "subset" on any appropriate ocassion...) Now, Voelker must have had some basis for assuming the high growth rate that he did. I assume that shortly before 1992 there was a similar high growth rate. So, shortly previous to that high growth rate in the early 90s, there was a LOT of publicity about cryonics (Dora Kent, etc), which practically saturated the available population pool, which precipitated the fast growth. But the people who signed up were part of a very small subset of the population. I refer you to the red curve above. In one-sixth of total time needed to reach total saturation/no-more-returns, half of the tire is filled. The tire is half-filled in one sixth of the time that it takes to fill the entire tire. That burst of publicity before 1992 caused a growth spurt that almost exhausted the available and psychologically-eligible population pool of likely cryonicists. The publicity analogizes to the air pump. Then came another air pump/ publicity-propagation-device: the internet. And there were more membership signups. But the pool of psyschologically eligible humans is again nearly exhausted. Or at least we have already passed the fast growth rate part of the curve for internet-induced signups. Of course there are other factors. Some few people who are NOT part of that psychologically-suited subset are indeed PERSUADED, and converted to cryonics. A very small number. Persuasion in this area (cryonics) is really overrated. We are social primates, animals. Logic and rationality are a thin veneer over the social animal hardwiring. There are far more fundamental forces in play here. Logical persuasion is not enough to overcome these societal/cultural hurdles. You need MORE than just logic. Cryonics is presently relegated to the ghetto of uber-rationalist, alienated, quasi-aspergian "internet dorks." For the most part. The problem is that normal population of adults have a set worldview, which does not allow for cryonics. What cryonics needs to do to break out of the ghetto is to piggyback and attach itself to other more socially acceptable cultural forces. For example, religion. If cryonics were branded/presented/sold as a quasi-religion, it would tap into already-established tropes and forces that religion itseld already taps into and/or has already constructed in the brains of most of the populace. And the available population pool there is FAR FAR greater. It very much DWARFS the numbers of internet dorks, uber-rationalists, etc. And guess what? Those "normals"? Their money is JUST AS GREEN as the high-IQ atheist types you and I argue with about cryonics on the internet. Their money would just as well pay for LN2, for research, for marketing, etc., as the money from computer programmers, and the rest of us uber-geek types. Another possible way to break out of our ghetto is to create worldviews that accept cryonics as it is. Children change their worldview. THe bible says, "train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old, he will not depart from it." Folk wisdom, that. And true, for the most part. This is another factor in the cryonics growth curve--kids who have the idea implanted in them that cryonics is a "good thing" are much more likely to sign up much later on, I would wager. So get to kids early with pro-cryonics video, etc. Another possible way out of the ghetto is to re-brand cryonics as a Grand Adventure to the Future and To The Stars. This approach would appeal to 15 to 20 year old males, which is a likely target demographic, anyway. A large segment of this demographic seeks out a group to join, a grand purpose for their lives, some entity to mold and shape them, and the more challenging, ardurous and risky, the better. See for example the armed forces advertisments, which sell military service as a challenging coming-of-age endeavor. This drive/desire to be part of this sort of endeavor is hardwired into young males of 15-20 years of age or so. Helps them protect the tribe, hunt food, etc. Evolutionary prehistoric stuff, etc. Cryonics is very appropriately suited to tap into this young-male-coming-of-age biological drive/demographic. But like reaching kids, it would require some money and considerable effort. Luckily, the internet is likely in 5 to 10 years to be able to provide a channel to communicate ideas from a small group of people to a large group even better than it does now--primarily through the use of video sent over the net to TV sets. Again however you have the bootstrapping problem--how to get money to reach out to these other potential demographics/re-branding possibilities. I recommend a church. A church of immortalism. Churches can start small and grow. 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