X-Message-Number: 29288 Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 18:27:03 -0500 (EST) From: Charles Platt <> Subject: The ethics of last-minute cases References: <> Keith Henson raises the very worthwhile topic of last minute cases. No organization has ever set out specifically to find and encourage such cases. It is interesting to consider the consequences of embarking on such a policy. My own personal guidelines have been: --Do not accept a case without guaranteed funding in place. --Do not accept a case where informed consent is unavailable. --Do not accept a case where hostile relatives may exist. --Be cautious of any case where those involved may have unclear or unrealistic ideas about cryonics. Interestingly, the Ted Williams case seemed to violate all of the first three conditions. (The oil-stained "consent note" was not made available until after the case was completed.) "Informed consent" is controversial, since if the patient is comatose, already dead, or otherwise impaired, the next of kin can legally give consent for cryopreservation on behalf of the patient. But is this really acceptable in the case of cryonics? I got into an argument with some CI directors over this, because they felt a moral imperative to "save a life" regardless of whether the patient even knew about cryonics, while I felt that no one has a right to impose an experimental medical procedure on a patient who has not given consent. Last-minute cases inevitably entail lack of information about the patient and relatives, money problems, and (very often) unrealistic perceptions of cryonics. On the other hand, in the past, last-minute cases have been a source of members, since additional people in the family have often signed up after their loved one has been cryopreserved. The PR risk of last-minute cases is that the cryonics organization may be seen as preying upon people who are in a vulnerable emotional state. No matter how many warnings you may give about the experimental nature of cryonics and the uncertain outcome, the organization can be portrayed as being no better than a bunch of "ambulance chasers" (or "hearse chasers"). One way to circumvent some of these problems would be by splitting off the case work to an independent organization, as was done with CryoCare and its service provider, BioPreservation, and could conceivably be done with Suspended Animation. Currently, as I understand it, Alcor is very reluctant to take last minute cases while CI is very happy to take them. Correct me if I am wrong. Maybe Kennita Watson can redirect her zeal to the challenging task of promoting cryonics to elderly people in nursing homes. Of course this would be less fun than hanging out in Colorado, chatting with tourists. Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=29288