X-Message-Number: 2946 From: (Robert Cardwell) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 94 22:51:01 +1000 Subject: CRYONICS "Cardwell carping" This is a response to Mike Darwin's message #2940. Mike, from recent messages it appears that you are now Mr. Etiquette-and-Politeness. Okay.. I believe that you showed poor Netiquette, by responding to a message that appeared in a relatively small forum (this mailing list) by posting your _response_ to the probably larger readership of a Usenet newsgroup (sci.cryonics). It looked manipulative of you to do that and it seems to me, as a sometime reader of a variety of newsgroups, that such a habit will not show you in the best light. As to the allegation of rudeness: During a discussion on CryoNet a few months ago ("the bleach affair") you took the position, in effect, that it is proper to flay people in public in pursuit of the truth. I have learned much from your various messages. All of your personae, Mike, are very instructive, even if the lessons learned are not always those intended. You go on to write: >1) First lets talk about apples not organges. *You* started out by claiming I >was secretly talking about Australia. I was not. Well, in the earlier message #2840 you wrote: ... >Thomas has >certain experiences in Australia which no doubt bear this out. In fact, one of >Thomas' cohorts from Australia sat in our reception area not long ago and went >on with VENOM (that's capital V-E-N-O-M) about just this problem! > >I will also point out that volunteers who are not led by qualified people and >who are not themselves qualified do a terrible job when demanding tasks are >required. I speak here not just of cryopreservations but even of things like >literature, public speaking, etc. All of us who have been around in this area >for awhile will have horror stories to tell in this vein. So, while if the only ^^^^^^^^ >tool you've got is a hammer you may be forced to view every problem as a nail, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >this STILL does not mean you will get your house built, or program your computer >successfully, or do neurosurgery on your wife with a good outcome. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [my emphasis added] The explicit reference to place and thus the allusions to particular people (juxtaposed as the paragraphs were) would be apparent to anyone acquainted with the people. I disavow *any* notion that I am able to perform major surgery - Alcor's Suspension Services Manager and/or our much-respected mortician would do that. However, I am collecting equipment for this. And no, Mike, *I* don't think the world revolves around me, nor am I inclined (as the saying has it) to read evil intent into a child's prayer. *You* should take care to avoid being an electronic drunk driver. Getting back to message #2940: ... >In fact, I never said >anything about Australia until *you* inserted yourself into the discussion. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "Yeah, right." This is CryoNet, not MikeDarwinNet. Anyone with a modem can subscribe and participate, so get used to it. ... >As to how good your situation will turn out, I have quite >politely refused to give an opinion. Your nasty attitude is wearing my >politeness rather thin. As the Duke of Wellington said, "publish and be damned." >As to my comments about straight freezing, they are distorted and out of >context. I said that EMs of straight frozen AND THAWED AND FIXED AND SECTIONED >tissue give the appearance of a tissue homogenate. Accepted. I tried to quote just the relevant words from your message but because I do not understand all the issues involved I may have unintentionally distorted the meaning. I, too, hate walls of quoted text and try to avoid them. As for the rest of your comments - the good, the bad and the ugly - thanks. Long life, Robert Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=2946