X-Message-Number: 30029 From: Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 15:20:45 EST Subject: a bit more on fear of death Those who insist that unconscious or inherent fear of death is universal and inescapable are simply absurd and not paying attentiion. There certainly is a nearly universal "survival instinct" in a restricted sense, viz., that when faced with imminent threat most people, most of the time, will try desperately to escape. Anybody will try to dodge a tiger or a taxicab. (There are "abnormal" exceptions even to this, as in the "martyrdom" of zealots.) But when the threat is not clear and present--and in modern life it very seldom is--then the situation is very different, and a great many people, much of the time, will make choices that ignore self preservation or are even self destructive. And again, we see the very common case of miserable people who do not choose to live. True, they do not often choose active suicide, but they do often reject medical help. One of the well known cagegories here is that of patients on dialysis, who fairly often choose to come off it and accept death. As I said, I think the only practical lesson is that we should try to motivate people to make the cryonics choice for their relatives who do not oppose it but have lacked the energy to make arrangements. Trying to motivate people through encouraging optimism and love of life does not seem to work. This was my motivation in writing Man into Superman, and it was a total dud. Most people do not want radical change, and few want serious change in themselves. What DOES work, in our experience, is family love. A significant number of our patients were frozen because of the efforts of spouses or children. Robert Ettinger ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" [ AUTOMATICALLY SKIPPING HTML ENCODING! ] Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=30029