X-Message-Number: 30113 From: "Chris Manning" <> References: <> Subject: Re: red wine and other things Date: Sat, 8 Dec 2007 11:40:51 +1100 I posted several comments about the article, but the replies have all been on the one I thought was the least important. I take it my other points are correct, or well-received? CI doesn't do head-only suspensions, Ted Williams* either was not decapitated, or opted for head-only suspension, in which case it is his head, not his body, which is now suspended, and my argument about progeria has some merit? * Australian readers: I almost wrote 'Ted Egan'! Make of that what you will. ----- Original Message ----- From: "CryoNet" <> To: <> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2007 9:00 PM Subject: CryoNet #30103 - #30109 I wrote: > I took up drinking red wine a few months ago. I have heard/read so many > people claim health benefits for moderate consumption of red wine that I > think it must be true. David Stodolsky replied: > This isn't a valid basis, as anyone following the WMD debate up to > the Iraq War knows. I don't know what the Iraq War has to do with it, and I realise it isn't scientific proof. > One glass a day is the limit and that is only justified if you suffer > from low HDL cholesterol. A women should take a folic acid supplement > to avoid an increased risk of cancer. See Willett 2001 for details. The claimed health benefits were for moderate consumption, and one glass a day is moderate consumption. I am male, so I'll pass on Willett 2001. I haven't had my cholesterol level tested but I will arrange that next time I visit the doctor. Bruce Waugh replied: > Chris, you can't drink enough red wine. You need to take resveratrol, > as the study leader David Sinclair does. It has twice been a topic on > Charlie Rose. See, for example, the first 20 minutes of this: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxM6efhHe_A . Ben Best replied: > This says more about the popular enthusiasm for red > wine rather than the health benefits. You can get resveratrol > from grape juice, but this is rarely mentioned. To get an > amount of resveratrol to match the amounts in David Sinclair's > overfed mouse experiments you would have to drink 300 glasses > of red wine. I will have a look at the link when time permits. I think various health benefits were being claimed, but I don't remember exactly what they were. I do know that they didn't mention resveratrol, which I have never heard of except in the cryonics community. Comment: That is an awkward name and I am surprised that it doesn't get called 'reservatrol'. Ben continued: > According to an expert quoted by the Life Extension > Foundation, red wine now contains only about one-tenth > the amount of reservatrol as was formerly the case, > because of the use of pesticides. This would not be the case for 'organic' red wine. Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=30113