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Subject: Re: CryoNet #30225 Timothy Leary predicted "immortality" by n...

From:  Mark Plus <>

Timothy Leary, who had cryonics  arrangements for several years until he 
cancelled them before his death in  1996, predicted in his 1977 book 

"Neuropolitics" that we'd have "immortality"  or "eternal life" (his words) by 
now. Scroll 
down to pp.  150-51:


Leary has never been someone really serious on such subjects, He was more a  
LSD snifer than anything else.  The real problem is not with media oriented  
predictions, playing on such number as "the year 2000" and similar 21 st 
century  miracle, it is ablout looking at realistic look of the fact. 
 
For example, I have unpacked recently my cristal ball to see the future of  
hypersonics flight. It seems the scramjet is now taken seriously, the first  

flying demonstrator, the X51A must be tested soon, may be 2009 - 2010. There may
 be a recoverable platform in 2012. The first cuise missilewith ram-scramjet  
motor and speed up to mach 5 - 6 may be at the 2015 horizon.
 
Now, when to hope for a London to Sydney 2 h travel?
 
Studying the economics, of the project (The European Space Agency has put  

$15 millions in paper cutting on the subject) I think it is very unlikely that
such a plane will be built in the 21st century. A supersonics Conconde 

successor  would be in order in the 2040 at the sooner, a transonic may be built
in 
the  2025 at the earliest.
 

Cryonicists today might want to distance themselves from these  embarrassing 
predictions of attaining "immortality" by the first decade of the  21st 
Century made by Leary, Robert Anton Wilson and F.M. Esfandiary. But the  fact 

remains that for many years we hobnobbed with these bohemians, read their  
books, 
invited them to speak at our conferences and liked the fact that the  promoted 
cryonics. We even had turkey roasts at Leary's home.

Today  some of us have apparently switched fan allegiances to living prophets 
of  "immortality" like Ray Kurzweil and Aubrey de Grey. But how embarrassing 
will  their forecasts look in another 20-30 years?

Mark  Plus


New names, same idea with poor study of the background society, economics  
and technology.
Progress is not an automatic conveyor belt, if you want something, work and  
pay for it!
 
I am interested in amateur rocket science, I think a pintle injector must  be 
put on the shelf, so that any amateur individual or group can pick it up and  
use it in their desing. I have received the machine-tool for producing the 
mold  for casting the main element, I don't bother to predict when that piece 
will be  produced by the mere advance of progress. I don' want to wait.
 
Happy new year.
 
Yvan Bozzonetti.



   


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