X-Message-Number: 30242
From: Mark Plus <>
Subject: Re: Prophets/resuscitation/oil
Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 20:34:50 -0800

In Cryonet #30237, Mike Donahue writes,


>I presume that should civilization continue we will develop a strong set of 
robust tools that will comprehensively make these resuscitations viable. 
Molecular scanning, Nanotech repairbots, quantum computers capable of the 
necessary calculations are all theoretically viable. Gross damages will be 
easier to calculate and restore than molecular level damages I would imagine 
using such computing power.   I also suspect that by the time people are 
resuscitated it will be done only when these powerful tools are available.   


I don't have the citations handy, but I recall predictions during the height of 
enthusiasm for Eric Drexler's ideas in the 1985-1995 decade that we'd have 
nanotech assemblers and nanocomputers doing tangible work by now. Then some 
scientists with more relevant expertise in the nano-world like Nobel-prize 
winning chemist Richard Smalley looked at these proposals and found some 
fundamental scientific problems with them. The real work in "nanotechnology" 
today doesn't resemble Drexler's speculations that much, and he has become 
nearly persona non grata in the field. Recent pronouncements by cryonics 
organizations seem to want to distance cryonics from that '80's vision of 
nanotech, given its declining scientific reputation.


>However, a labrat friend of mine claims that engineered microorganisms may 
repair such damage much more easily than nanobots, pointing out that organic 
chemistry already does or is capable of all of the work necessary for such 
repairs if it can be designed and directed to do so. He laughs at the 
nanotechnologists, saying, cells already do all of these things why are they 
trying to make machines to do these things cells are already doing perfectly 
well? 


Thomas Donaldson argued in favor of hacking biological systems to get them to 
perform medical repairs, for example, in his 1988 essay (20 years ago!), "24th 
Century Medicine":

http://www.alcor.org/Library/html/24thcenturymedicine.html


As for electric cars, the record suggests technological stagnation. Inventors 
like Thomas Edison started to work on them a hundred years ago, until the far 
superior power/mass ratio of gasoline burned in an internal combustion engine 
won the day. If we had to use electric cars for a century and then discovered 
bountiful petroleum today and invented engines to burn it, we would abandon 
electric cars in short order. People in the 1920's, 1930's and 1940's found way 
more petroleum in all kind of unexpectable places than the world's economy could
have used for many decades. That hasn't happened for a long time now, but when 
it did, it came the closest we've ever gotten to science-fictional speculations 
about "free energy."


For some historical perspective on how long ago people began to work on 
"alternatives" to petroleum, read "Peak Oil - Peak Technology":

http://www.communitysolution.org/pdfs/NS4.pdf



"There was a time before reason and science when my ancestors believed in all 
manner of nonsense." (Narim on "Stargate SG-1")

Mark Plus

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