X-Message-Number: 30317
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:00:11 -0800 (PST)
From: david pizer <>
Subject: Re: Honest and open discussions continue

Keith, thanks for the ideas. I will think about all of
them but I want to respond to two of them for now.
And, I will take you up on your suggestion and copy
Cryonet.

David


> Excuse me for being highly skeptical.  One counter
> argument is that 
> CI already his member elected directors.  More
> involvement in 
> organization politics means more involvement in
> organizational 
> politics, not getting anything useful done. 

You are so right there is a trade off.  It takes a lot
more time to deal with the members when they feel they
have more say in running an organization BUT then they
do more work for the organization.

Knowing this in front, we need to build in systems
like the planning department in a county.  The
planning board meets with members of the country when
they first want to talk about problems and things the
county has announced it wants to consider.  They hold
hearings and stuff.  The planning board members work
with citizens to create pro and con arguments and
flush out the issues completely and then vote on the
issues after working with the people who live in the
area, but it isn't the final vote.

Then the matter comes up in front of the county
supervisors. Their consideration and vote takes less
time as most of the arguments have been created and
examined and taken place at the planning board
meetings level.

Alcor can have advisers who sit on a board and work
with members who have ideas and want to debate what
the board is doing.  Then after these have taken place
it comes up again (but takes less time now) and the
board members consider the matter and vote.

> The problem with growth is that nobody understands
> how or why people 
> make the decision to get into cryonics.  Or perhaps
> that's the wrong 
> question.  Maybe we don't know why people stick with
> dying.

I have a theory on that ---  there are two kinds of
people in this world:  Those who want longer lives
then "normal" and those who are happy with a "natural"
lifespan.

There are two kinds of people who want extended lives:
those who believe in heaven or reincarnation and those
who believe that when you are dead it's the end of
everything for you.

There millions of these people, they are atheists and
agnostics.  Atheists mostly have made their peace with
death.  Agnostics probable don't hold much hope out
for a heaven, but they want some chance of survival so
they do hold out a tiny bit of hope for something they
are skeptical about.  These are the people we should
go after, there are millions of them.





      
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