X-Message-Number: 30369
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 05:38:52 -0800 (PST)
From: Phil Ossifur <>
Subject: PRO-WESTPHALIAN COMMITTEE-- Opposes cryonics anti-defam'n com...
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Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 22:27:19 -0700
From: "StopDefaming Cryonics"
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Subject: PHILOSSIFUR CLUTTERS CRYONET ARCHIVE
If it were anything worth reading, we would have
nothing to say about it.
Here we see SD (FD?) attempt to describe to the
cryonics community what's worth considering and
what's NOT worth considering. Classic control agent
stuff.
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I doubt most cryonicists are gullible enough to take
his ranting seriously, but for anyone who gets this
far, I just had to comment on this recent round of
hysteria about the economy and the financial
markets.
Ranting
Hysteria
The economy and financial markets..... AHA-- here's
where SD (FD?) gets some traction...
This is one excerpt:
"X-Message-Number: 30348
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008
From: Phil Ossifur <>
Subject: ECONOMY-- Trillions of dollars will vaporize
"The fevered efforts to save the financial system,
typified by today's panicked three-quarter-point
interest rate cut by the Federal Reserve and the
Bush/Paulson stimulus plan not only will not work, but
will backfire spectacularly, and soon, economist
Lyndon LaRouche warned today. The financial system is
dead, and any attempt to save the fictitious values of
the trillions of dollars of worthless financial paper
will not only fail, but will destroy any nation
foolish enough to attempt to do so, LaRouche said."
Excellent extract.
Anyone who has been paying attention over the course
of their lives, knows that the economies of countries
and in particular the USA, go through periodic cycles
of growth and recession every few years.
ME-- This is precisely the argument being used by
British System agents, syncophants and dupes of that
system.... that this current crisis is nothing BUT
another cycle. That is a deadly misception. This is
precisely NOT another cycle of that type... what we're
now experiencing is a SYSTEMIC COLLAPSE that is more
akin to the cycle of the rise and fall of a WORLD
CIVILIZATION...
Phil blindly swallows
ME-- No, I'm not blind. I've been reading EIR for 7
years. I have a full contextual understanding of the
problem and the solution. I'm am the most heavily read
Larouche cryonicist on Planet Earth-- and in known
civilization. The only thing that prevents others in
cryonics from yielding to my point is unadulterated
and unabridged EGO. Not ONE SINGLE cryo has asked me
ONE intelligent question on this matter to date.
the unsubstantiated claims by LaRouche
ME-- The claims are NOT unsubstantiated . The ARE
FULLY SUBSTANTIATED-- but it's hard to convey THAT in
even a couple of Cryonet posts. The maps of the
SUBSTANTIAL evidence that we're being DESTOYED-- from
the inside is found throughout the EIR series.... I'll
offer you one map...
http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2006/2006_40-49/2006-45/pdf/04_645_feat.pdf
Scroll down 12 pages to see mpa of service workser
buy county 1975 vs. 2000-- which privesw that GOOD
manufactiruing jobs have been lost. This is just ONE
example of the type of evidence of internal
self-destruction being carried out right now. It
answers the problem of what's occurring often pointed
to by Mark Plus-- who has not analyzed the problem
correnctly and doesn't have a solution. Cryonics is a
SERVICE by the way-- a HIGHLY non-productive one in
terms of the physical economy. It simply BY DEFINITON
will not survive if the USA does NOT return to
PRODUCTIVITY... Larouches analysis is FULLY
SUBSTANTIAL, IMPECCABLE and ....
that something
more serious is going on *this* time.
ME-- Very true, and it's DEADLY. To GRASP it-- SD
(FD?) only needs to make more refernces to the cycles
of the economy in history and compare that to cycles
of CIVILIZATION in history. SD has NO GROUNDING in
history-- niether he nor his evil twin on Cold Filter
(FD) have ever referred to the documented evidence of
the rise of civilization since the end of the last ice
age-- or the coming ice age-- which is yet another
cycle that can be proven. THAT is the wide angle view
that Larouche takes and that cryonicist, in their
vision of the future of several hundred years-- or
their vision of immortality MUST take-- to be
INTELLECUALLY honest...
There is absolutely no reason
to assume that anything is happening other than the
probable beginning
of a period of recession.
ME... Well that is a 100% LIE-- because what's
happening right now is absolutely DIFFERENT-- and the
way that I can prove to SD-- who is behaving like a
control agent -- a thought control agent -- in
cryonics-- so I'll appeal to cryonet readers RATHER
Than Sd himself-- is if SD CLAIMS that this is NOT
different--- that it's MERELY a recesssion... then I
can only start by looking at particular examples or
references-- and ask cryonet readers-- does each of
these LOOK like it's part of a normal recession?
1. The fed stops publishing M3.
2. Millions of Americans will be foreclosed on in the
next six months.
3. Ford motor Co. despite selling cars is exeriencing
huge losses, layoffs, plant shutdowns-- the rust belt
is now being ground into the dirt.
Do these elements sound like a normal recession to
you? NO, these are fundamental kick in the teeth --
boot to the balls KILLER elements being designed to
bring the USA down-- while agents like SD continue to
work hard on controlling the perception of what's
going on.
During such times, it is common for the Fed
to cut interest rates.
ME-- The FED is NOT a Federal Agency. For SD to NOT
say that in every utterence of The FED is part of the
LIE... In REALITY Congress can declare the FED
bankrupt and put the creation of money supply back in
the hands of Congress where is belongs-- something
Jack Kennedy tried-- and paid for with his life. The
rate cut is POURING GAS ON THE FIRE-- and the RATE
CUT-- will soon lead to HYPERINFLATION... not just
regular inflation. SD is using ALL the standard lines
of the British agents-- who KNOW that monetarism is
DEAD-- and who are afraid of the RISE OF THE AMERICAN
SYSTEM of public credit--
Fears of any significant inflation are seldom
realized from this, though that is another frantic cry
from the
doomsayers.
ME-- Seldom?
The Fed's recent move is not based on panic, but on a
solid method based in economics to avoid a depression
rather than just
a recession.
ME-- SD shows NO indication-- NONE WHATSOEVER-- of
knowing what economics is. He is to be reviled in
cryonics and feared because what he is doing is
misleading 1000 cryonicists so that, like lemmings,
they will be going along to get along--- over the
cliff. This IS time to PANIC-- because cryonics will
NOT survive the CONDITIONS that are going to be
IMPOSED ON THE USA-- presumably to AVOID
DEPRESSION.... the KEY for cryonicists to understand
is.... PHYSICAL ECONOMY.... as opposed to the MONETARY
ECONOMY... Ultimately, money is just an agreement--
and the economy has to be REAL and PHYSICAL... The
Minnesotal Brigde Collapse was REAL-- Real people were
killed-- Real bridges across the country are in need
of repair... Money is a TOOL for useful AGREEMNTS--
the very definition of money is at stake here... It's
the KEY to understanding EVERYTHING... The USA was
based on a NEW DEFINITION OF MONEY...
SD-- We have come out of every recession now for
decades,
with all of our paper money intact - despite another
apocalyptic claim that it will all "vaporize".
ME-- MONEY IS VAPORIZING right NOW--- The banks
involved and the Caymen Islands are all a HOUSE OF
CARDS... and the DERIVATIVATES upon which financial
aggregates are based are at risk to the extent the
WHOLE WORLD is nervous about dollars... Look at the
price of GOLD-- even though that is NOT a soltion-- it
indicates the level of FEAR.... so open up the Wall
St. Journal paper where Dave Pizer was featured in
January 2006 as being one of the SMART money people
involved in PERPETUAL TRUSTS-- to see the DAILY fall
of major financial banks and the VAPORIZATION of money
in the BILLIONS right now-- since June 2007-- SD's
denial that money is vaporizing right now-- is
ASTONISHING and says more about BRAINWASHING than the
economy...
SD-- Not so, unless he is referring to the
people who bought into markets at their top, and are
seeing their
paper profits vanish.
ME-- NO-- it's not JUST paper profits -- it's paper
money -- but worse than that-- it's electronic money
based on NOTHING... which a LOT of various funds,
pensions, local cities are invested in-- to degrees
not even the EXPERTS know for sure... In other words,
if cryonicists want to increase their odds for
survival, NOW is the time to study MONEY-- to back up
from Libertariansim and to give SERIOUS
CONSIDERATION to physical conomics....
Blogs mentioning physical
economicshttp://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&tab=wb&q=%22physical+economy%22
Web search on physical econimcs
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&um=1&q=%22physical+economy%22&sa=N&tab=bw
Article on physica economic collapse
http://www.inteldaily.com/?c=139&a=4679
Ad indicates FED is intentionally killing the dollar
http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/newsletter/default74.aspx?sc=G100&EC=76510&gclid=CLWGgIr4k5ECFSFaagodrEaBQA
Cryonicists are supposed to be interested in the
viability of the future... and NOW is an excellent
time to drop the
hope of singularity-- nanotech-- and all of that--
which has been in trouble for several years-- and
re-focus-- as a group-- to consider physical
economy -- things like drinkable water, reliable
electricity, the carry-capacity of railroads-- in
other words-- macrotech--
SD-- Many people sold out when they started seeing
all the red, and will have the opportunity to buy back
in when the
green starts showing again at the bottom of the
valley.
ME-- There is NO GREEN in DEATH VALLEY-- Note, please
cryonicists-- that SD is fully invested mentally in
the idea of MONEY-- he is a monetarist. HE shows NO
SIGN of understanding the relationship of the VALUE OF
MONEY to the real world-- to the PHYSIcAL ECONOMY...
he believes there will be an automatic turnaround-- in
DEATH VALLEY-- He is leading YOU ALL INto the Valley
of Death.... Reject him. Listen to me. I'm telling you
all the truth-- all you have to do is look into what
I'm saying... just a little bit-- think about WHERE
clean water comes from-- and where your electricity
comes from-- and think about the recent SOLAR FLARES
and how THAT is causing global warming-- not carbon
emissions -- THAT hoax is designed to shut DOWN
industry!!! We're being hoodwinked-- we can still work
ourselves out of it... but do NOT follow SD to the
Valley of DEATH from which there is NO RETURN in our
lifetimes... Consdier HG Wells-- The Open Conspiracy--
consider mind-warfare-- consider the possibilyt that
we're being brainwashed to accept the END OF
CIVILIZATION.... WAKe Uuuuuuppppp!!!! This is a
nightmare.
SD-- This is nothing new, happens during every cycle;
some people lose their shirts
but civilization goes on ever stronger.
ME-- He's lying to you. This is the potential end of
Civilization. This is how the British Systemp
operates. They tell you everything is okay. Everything
is normal. He's using words to anesthetize you! GEt up
from your computer and shake yourself up--- Look at
the facts-- Review the contexst-- understand history--
understand the history of European Civilziation-- and
understand things like the Bhutto assassination. It's
all part of our WORLD-- Understand WHAT public credit
is-- and what INFRASTRUCTURE is-- and look at the
development and history of the TRAIN as I posted
yesterday.
SD-- I submit that LaRouche is full of what is in the
douche, and will be
proven a false prophet and charlatan within a few
months,
ME-- A few months is enough time for Cheney and
Isreal's Netenahyo to launch a BUNKER BUSTER NUCLEAR
mini-bombing of IRAN-- whihc must be stopped. Bush's
recent PEACE TRIP to the middle east involved Bush
signing off on the GAZA ATTACK by Isreal-- because
they intend to DESTROY Hamas-- BEFORE they offer the 2
state solution-- but this will create more chaos...
Larouche is NOT a charlatan-- the British System
agents have painted him that way because he is the
POINT MAN for an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT VIEW OF THE
UNIVERSE... they cannot discredit him point by point--
so they paint him as kookey with broad brushstrokes--
but when you look at the details-- you'll see that
LAROUCHE is Mr. America-- Mr. Civilization.... he is
effectively a 3,000 year old man-- who has integrated
3,000 years of human history in his mind... whose
vision is transtemporal and who is looking to
establsiht the basis for civilization for the next
1000 to 2000 years-- this is WHAT cryonicists need to
consider.... We cannot have cryonics without
predominant PEACE.
SD--
when the
cycle turns back up again. Phil will similarly be so
proven.
ME-- NO!!! The CYCLE downward began in 1971 with the
destruction of Bretton Woods and international
speculation in currency-- which is leading to the
destruction of the dollar. That cycle won't be
reversed for another 50 years-- 2 generations of
REBUILDING the infrastructure, industry and
agriculture in the US-- a project that cryoncisits
should be engaged in for the future of cryonics as
well as everythying else.
SD-- Will
Phil admit he and LaRouche were wrong then? Not
likely. He will
merely accuse anyone who points it out, of being a
reductionist, and
will claim that the USA will indeed eventually be
destroyed
economically - he didn't mean it had to be this year.
How do we know
this is how Phil will behave? We've seen it happen
several times
before.
ME-- I view my past 7 yaers of considering Larouche as
ONE period-- integrated-- so to speak of several
times-- is nonsense-- the ENTIRE fabric of the
DESTRUCTION of the USA MUST be viewed over time--
SINCE the end of WW II-- and SD is looking MORE and
MORE like FD in Cold Filter-- so what I want from
cryos is cooperation on identigying who FD in Cold
Filter is-- privately by email--- so that if he
exposees my pseudonyman again, we expose who he is--
in reality-- FD is NOT signed up by the way-- with any
cryonics firm and he overran Cold Filter-- responding
to EVERYTING THERE-- a forum that was originally
created by Jon Hinek-- also NOT signed up-- which
forum was modeled on the original Cryonics Cafe-- long
story-- but essentiall FD HIJACKED Cold Filter-- and
SD-- who I now surmise FD-- has gone to great lenghts
to SUPPRESS my views on Google blogsearch AND here on
Cryonet-- This is essentially MIND WARFARE--
SD--
A note to the curious: Phil can rant and rave in the
bottom of the
CryoNet queue and archives as long as he likes, and we
don't care, as
long as he doesn't draw the public's attention to this
obscure area of
internet publishing.
ME-- SEE??? what did I tell you??? AS long as he
dosn't draw the public attention to this OBSCURE area
of internet publishing . If this isn't SUPPRESSION or
MIND CONTROL or THOUGHT control, I dont' know what
is...
SD--
That would not be the right thing to do for
positively presenting cryonics to the public, and as
long as he
refrains from such activity, we also will do what he
believes is right
and not post our material next to his where the
general public would
learn all about "Phil" and why they should ignore him.
ME-- The RIGHT thing? What is this? SD is going to
define what is RIGHT for cryonics? This sounds a
liittle bit liek the Venturists edict-- the RIGHT
thing-- Hmmm.... another clue??? Presenting cryonics
to the public-- as in PUBLIC RELATIONS-- as in
PROPAGANDA-- as in WHITEWASHING??? Cryonics is part of
the rEAL world and the real world and current
civilziation is NEEDED to TRANSPORT CRYONICS ITSELF to
the future-- CIVILIZIATION IS THE AMBULANCE that
carries CRYONICS to the future-- and Civilization
depends on your definition of money-- and the
DISTINcTION to be made here is EMPIRE money or
REPUBLIC money-- Think about that--
Finally, I invite anyone to privately help me
postitively identify SD (FD?)-- who he is in real
life-- so that I can legally hold him culpable for
threats and carrying out exposing MY real id and thus
harming my real business and real life-- which must be
firewalled against my larger political views for
business sake-- So far NOT ONE CRYO has clued me in--
as to that REAL WORLD ID-- and I surmise that ther ARE
people who DO know who he is-- and UNTIL I get real
info on that, I'm holding the ENTIRE CRYONICS
COMMUNITY responsible for the situation-- so I have
TWO charges against ALL CRYONCIISTS--
1. They refuse to acknoweldge that the USA and the
nation-state system is under attack by the British
Empire and are therefore ignorant of world history--
either as agents, knowing dupes or unkonwing dupes--
and are therefore bordering on TREASON against the USA
2. They are by default in agreement that the challange
I represent should be fought by attacking me
personallky on the internet by exposing my
pseudonymn-- which by the way-- BEN FRANKLIN had to
use when he published-- So therefore-- all
cryonicists-- by default-- in my book as of now-- are
vicious and mean-- as long as they do NOT defned my
RIGHT to pseudonym use in the expression of my views.
SD--
--- For the Cryonics Anti-Defamation Committee
ME--
You can't defame an idea. That's totally RETARDED.
Even retarded people know that. I invite cryoincists
to join the Cryonics Pro-Westphalian Committee IN
TOTAL OPPOSITION to ADC. The Pro-Westphalian Committee
opposes Globalization (World empire) and defends the
idea of a Community of Sovereign Nation-STATES based
on universal principles.
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