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From: "John de Rivaz" <>
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Subject: Re: cost as disincentive 
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 15:25:53 +0100

It was New Scientist, not Omni, that offered a holiday in Hawaii as an 
alternative. As the magazine is based in the UK, Hawaii is a lot further away 
and therefore more exotic. The holiday also had a science basis, as it included 
time on a large astronomical telescope there. The woman that won, Helen Tibble, 
chose the holiday. A Google search at the time revealed that she was active in 
her local church, so presumably she felt cryonics to be superfluous given her 

More on http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=20468

According to a more recent Google search, she is still active in religion 
(Methodism) and was elected to her church council in 2006. In 2008 she wrote on 


On a cold damp Friday in January I travelled down to Westminster College, 
Cambridge, for a conference ?Introduction to Science and Religion run by the 
Faraday Institute, an academic research enterprise based at St Edmunds College.

After some sightseeing of the city, the course began with dinner followed by a 
talk and discussion on the subject of ?Big Science, Big God then drinks with the
opportunity to chat to others on the course. I met some interesting people, 
from an artist depicting the book of Genesis in pictures, to physicists, 
religious studies teachers and a child psychologist. One man had come all the 
way from India.

The rest of the weekend consisted of talks and discussions looking at how 
science and religion (particularly focusing on Christianity) complemented each 
other, with prominent speakers in their fields who were also committed 
Christians. Topics included ?Can Religion be as Rational as Science??, ?Does 
Evolution have any Religious Significance??, and ?Theological Issues of Climate 
Change?. My favourite lecture on the Sunday morning (Epiphany) was ?Science and 
the Star of Bethlehem? which looked at the evidence for a star that moved in the
way described in Matthew s gospel, and used this to date the birth of Christ 
(between 9th March and 4th May, 5BC).

I really enjoyed this course and it helped me to answer questions I had with how
to fit my faith with what I understand about the theory of the Big Bang, 
Evolution etc. I also met some brilliant people, and hope to attend another 
course at the Institute in the future. For further information on the Faraday 
Institute and its courses, visit the website:
Helen Tibble

I hope that quoting the above article in full will help those interested in why 
some people reject cryonics.

Maybe she is a lovely person, but it is a shame that her success at the 
competition prevented an equally worthy person being cryopreserved eventually to
enjoy a healthy lifespan of indefinite duration.

Sincerely, John de Rivaz:  http://John.deRivaz.com for websites including
Cryonics Europe, Longevity Report, The Venturists, Porthtowan, Alec Harley
Reeves - inventor, Arthur Bowker - potter, de Rivaz genealogy,  Nomad .. and

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