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From: "t.theodorus ibrahim" <>
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Subject: RE: [CN] Web site recommendation
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 14:50:07 +0100

Francois, 

Nice logic.

But the assumption that a civilisation transcending through a technological
singularity would expand outwards into real space as opposed to virtual or
other types of artificial ones is conjecture. 

Hence the absence of detectable industrial activity in our light cone does
not contradict the technological singularity hypothesis (even more so given
your unstated assumption that the Drake equation has a value of >1)

For a most excellent discussion of one aspect of this issue see John Smarts
"Exploring the Mechanisms of Universal Transcension" at
http://accelerating.org/articles/answeringfermiparadox.html

T.Theodorus Ibrahim





> -----Original Message-----
> From: CryoNet F [mailto:] On Behalf Of Francois
> Sent: 20 May 2008 02:46
> To: CryoNet F
> Subject: Re: [CN] Web site recommendation
> 
> To David Stodolsky
> 
> > There is no evidence that there will be a 'singularity'
> 
> Actually, there is some evidence that there won't be, sort 
> of. Earth is not the only planet in our galaxy. According to 
> currently observed planetary systems, most of those planets 
> would be older than Earth, the greatest rate of planet 
> formation having occured about 4 to 5 billion years before 
> the Earth formed. This means that there should be plenty of 
> planets out there who had the opportunity to evolve sentient 
> lifeforms that could have gone through a singularity billions 
> of years before us. We see no evidence of the super galaxy 
> spanning civilization that would have resulted from such an 
> event. Therefore we can conclude that no civilization in our 
> galaxy ever reached the singularity, or that none has 
> survived the event. This conclusion is obviously not very 
> solid, but it is at least based on actual observations.
> 

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