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From: Kennita Watson <>
Subject: war vs. terrorism (was: Re: self interest)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 17:15:19 -0700

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> Message #30792
> From: David Stodolsky <>
> Subject: Re: self interest
> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 17:57:13 +0200
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> On 30 May 2008, at 20:37, Kennita Watson wrote:
>
>> David Stodolsky wrote:
>>
>>> Yearly deaths from terrorism
>>> are about 400, those from war are about 400,000.
>>
>> What's your source?  I'd love to quote and
>> cite it.  Thanks!
>
>
> These are widely known figures.

Obviously not as widely known as you
thought.

> One source is Copenhagen Consensus,
> another is a recent "Democracy Now!" podcast/broadcast.
>
I downloaded the executive
summary of the paper by Sandler et al.
at http://www.copenhagenconsensus.com/Default.aspx?ID=968
and found the "420 deaths annually"
number, but I didn't see anything
about war.  Let's see -- Googling
'deaths average war worldwide -cold -drug'
I found www.itszone.co.uk/zone0/viewtopic.php?t=69206
which said "In 2002, there were an estimated 172000
war deaths worldwide, ...".  My head started
to spin looking for other war numbers.  I don't
like pointing people at podcasts for information
that they should be able to take in in a few
seconds (and/or search for on an HTML page), and
I'm especially not inclined to listen to a podcast
that I don't even know mentions war (not giving the
date or URL of the podcast doesn't help either).

Grf -- On a guess, I tried "democracynow.org"
and lucked out to find the site, but
http://www.democracynow.org/shows didn't give
me any real clues as to which show would have
the number(s) you're talking about.  One more
level of masochistic curiosity later, I
searched for 'war death terrorism annual' on
that page, and found nothing obviously useful
-- I give up.

Googling for 'deaths average war worldwide 400,000'
didn't help either.  If you can point me at a
particular (credible) page that cites 400,000
annual deathsfrom war, I'll cite it; otherwise,
I'll stick with the one citation I found, and its
172,000 number.

Has anybody else had better luck?  400,000 (a
factor of 1000) sounds more impressive, and
I'd rather use it, but not without a citation.
Thanks!

Live long and prosper,
Kennita
>
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>
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