X-Message-Number: 30816
From:  (Melody Maxim)
Subject: Questions About CCR and Liquid Ventilation
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:45:40 +0000


1. Where is the evidence to prove cooling at the rates Steve Harris reported at 
the 2007 Alcor Conference, via "liquid ventilation", is more beneficial, to 
patients, than cooling at the rates that were achieved in 2000? *Note, below.


2. Did question number one cross anyone's mind, before the dogs at CCR were 
subjected to painful surgery, or was the goal of the study simply to prove CCR 
could cool faster than they could in 2000, without knowing if doing so would be 
of benefit to patients? **Note, below.


3. Where is the evidence to prove rapid cooling, during the stabilization and/or
washout procedure, offers better protection than cooling at the slower rates 
used in conventional medicine?


4. Does rapid cooling, during the stabilization and/or washout procedure, cause 
more harm than cooling at slower rates?


5. Under Mike Darwin, CCR established a world record in resuscitating dogs from 
up to 17 minutes of warm ischemia, in the mid-1990's.Tabel 1 of this 2003 
presentation says the write-up of this work is "in preparation" by "Harris et 
al." http://www.alcor.org/Library/html/annals.html. Where is this write up?


6. What has CCR been doing since Mike Darwin left? (Other than making their 
liquid ventilation system cool faster, without making it portable for field use,
and without proving cooling faster is of any benefit and does not cause 
unnecessary harm.)


*Note: From the February 2000 edition of LEF's magazine: "The most recent 
breakthrough made at The Critical Care Research Project is an Automated Liquid 
Ventilation System that can lower whole-body temperature extremely rapidly with 
a (sic) an automated system that introduces cooled liquid perflurocarbon into 
the lungs without causing lasting injury. What remains is to make the system 
portable, so that it can fit into an ambulance for use at the scene of 
automobile accidents, heart attacks and strokes." 
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2000/feb00-cover.html All that remained in 
February 2000 was "to make the system portable" and more than eight years later,
Critical Care Research has not accomplished that?


**Note: From the January 2006 edition of LEF's magazine: "More than 100 dogs 
have been successfully revived using this process...Current liquid ventilation 
lavage research at CCR is aimed at eliminating all lung damage from dogs that 
undergo rapid cooling, and redesigning the components of the system into a 
portable unit capable of being operated by paramedics in an ambulance." 
http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2006/jan2006_cover_lef_02.htm


"Liquid ventilation" has been extensively explored, in conventional medicine, 
and just as with mechanical ventilation, no one has ever found a way to 
"eliminate ALL lung damage," so I'm skeptical that anyone at CCR will accomplish
that goal. It seems, to me, that a lot of animals are being subjected to pain 
and suffering, without accomplishing very much.


How many years is it going to take to make this device portable? This project 
almost seems like a smoke screen, something people at CCR/LEF/SA pull out of the
closet, once in a while, to impress people, and make it look like they are 
doing something new and amazing. 


I know I am not the only person who would like answers to the above questions. 
Since Charles Platt and Steve Harris have not answered the above questions, on 
the forum where they were originally posted, perhaps they would care to answer 
them, here.

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