X-Message-Number: 30822 From: (Melody Maxim) Subject: Millions Being Spent in Cryonics Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:18:38 +0000 Recently, David Stodolsky responded to an inquiry, regarding information about the millions being spent in cryonics. David's response suggested my (sorely neglected) blog, as providing some information about the money being spent in cryonics. If the person who asked the original question wants to see how I believe a large portion of that money is being misappropriated, that would be the place to go. (http://cryomedical.blogspot.com/) One way to see the actual dollar amount being donated, by Life Extension Foundation, is to view their form 990's. You can find them here: http://foundationcenter.org/findfunders/990finder/ Just fill in the name, and select the state of Florida, and you can view the reports up through 2006. On page 18, of the 2006 PDF file, you can see that LEF made "Grants and Allocations" in excess of $7.3M. Of this, a mere $85K went to Alcor, $1.6+M went to 21CM, $770K went to CCR, $1.1+M went to Suspended Animation, $30K went to Robert Freitas, and $1.2+M went to Stasis Foundation. (These are the organizations that are primarily concerned with cryonics, another $2.4+M went to BioMarker Pharmaceuticals.) I have no doubt that more than half of SA's $1.1M was spent on salaries and associated costs of the employees, and consulting fees, most of it to a handful of grossly underqualified, inexperienced people. The one medical professional who worked at SA, in 2006, (that would be me), was not really welcomed by the acting manager, who seemed mostly interested in building his own designs, without exploring existing equipment. My viewpoints regarding making use of existing medical procedures and equipment, with which I was familiar, were not appreciated, to say the least. The opinions of the paramedics who were working with SA, at the same time, were about as welcome as mine. People at SA, who had no medical experience, whatsoever, and no knowledge of existing medical equipment and procedures, seemed to think the paramedics should just blindly follow orders of the relatively clueless SA staff, because "they work for us." Any suggestions the paramedics made, in regard to existing equ ipment and procedures, fell on deaf ears. Judging by the way funds are appropriated at SA, I would guess the lion's share of the $770K donated to CCR is for the cost of the employees, (I believe that would be Steve Harris, his wife, his mother-in-law, and the mother-in-law's significant other). The CCR website reveals nothing more than an info contact link, and the public has no idea what goes on there, other than a seemingly endless liquid ventilation project. We know "more than 100" dogs, (as of 2006), have been subjected to painful surgery, over the course of many years, for the sake of that project, but we have yet to see that technology brought to the field. I recently posted some questions, regarding the animal experiments at CCR, but I left out a very important one: How do CCR's benefactors (Faloon/Kent/LEF), think CCR's liquid ventilation dog experiments compare to studies like this one, conducted by 56 physicians at medical centers all around the world, and involving 311 human patients? http://ajrccm.atsjournals.org/cgi/content/full/173/8/882 In the "Discussion" section you will see: "The most important findings of this study are as follows: (1) PLV at both low and high doses did not improve outcome compared with CMV, (2) a greater number of serious adverse reactions were observed with PLV than with conventional ventilation..." (PLV = Partial Liquid Ventilation, and CMV = Conventional Mechanical Ventilation) Here is the quote from the January 2006 issue of LEF's magazine: "Current liquid ventilation lavage research at CCR is aimed at eliminating all lung damage from dogs that undergo rapid cooling, and redesigning the components of the system into a portable unit capable of being operated by paramedics in an ambulance." http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2006/jan2006_cover_lef_02.htm CCR is hardly likely to eliminate ALL lung damage associated with liquid ventilation, when greater minds, with greater resources, have failed, over the course of many decades of medical research. In my mind, for Kent and Faloon to continue to believe people like Harris and Platt can achieve this goal is simply naive, (a word I use, frequently, when discussing certain people involved in cryonics). And, for them to keep funding people who can't accomplish the simple goal of making cold lung lavage portable, in more than eight years' time, seems BEYOND naive. (Actually, I believe Harris' first efforts in liquid ventilation, were the projects he did with Mike Darwin, twelve years ago.) Forget about "eliminating all lung damage," and focus on bringing this technology to the field, in order to facilitate the rapid initiation of hypothermia. (And, quit torturing dogs, without good reason.) When are the people funding cryonics "research" going to wake up and exercise some common sense? It seems ridiculous to keep funding a research project that pales in comparison to others. It also seems foolish to pay people like Platt and Harris to prove they can cool faster than they could, in 2000, without any evidence doing so would be of benefit. (I've repeatedly asked for evidence of some rationale for their recent dog experiments, but there has yet to be a response.) The same can certainly be said for funding the design and fabrication of "unique" equipment when proven medical equipment can be applied. It's time to stop doing the "we're so weird and wonderfully unique, we can't be constrained by existing conventional medical technology" dance, and start building on that which already exists. The beauty of cryonics is that IT IS an extension of existing medical technology. It would behoove the powers that be to concentrate on projecting a respectable, and responsible, im age. David Stodolsky also posted a response to someone's inquiry, regarding funding designed to get physicians interested in cryonics. I agree with David this would be futile, but I think there is an obvious answer. If people in cryonics want to earn the respect, and interest, of medical professionals, they need to quit behaving so irresponsibly, and quit running off the few medical professionals, (such as myself), who DO become interested. No doubt I might have played a role in convincing some of my peers that cryonics is a logical extension of hypothermic procedures that are already successfully performed, (such as those for repairs of the ascending aorta), but medical professionals don't want to work in an environment where it is a constant battle to convince people, who don't know anything about existing medical procedures and equipment, to even consider what already exists. Throw in the "high school clique" atmosphere, with people conspiring together to get others fired, or t o tend er their resignations, and a manager pulling childish stunts like writing emails from the email addresses of his employees, and you have a situation most medical professionals are unlikely to tolerate. People in cryonics will say "It's the money," but that's not the case, at the LEF-funded facilities, where the pastures are quite green, in comparison to salaries paid, in conventional medicine, to paramedics, EMT's, critical care nurses, physician assistants and perfusionists. Melody Maxim Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=30822