X-Message-Number: 30888 From: Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:16:03 EDT Subject: O'Rights Thanks, Dave. It dawned on me a couple of days ago that, although I had pledged $1,000, I hadn't actually mailed a check, so I did that. Bob Message #30885 Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:55:13 -0700 (PDT) From: david pizer <> Subject: update on the fund raising Hi Cryofriends So far we have collected $2,000 for William O'Rights' suspension costs. We have a ways to go. Mr. O'Rights has been interested in cryonics for many years and has made donations in the past to various cryonics related, or life extension related, organizations when he was in the pink. He has written and talked about the value of cryonics for years. He just did not get *his* life insurance in place before he came down with a terminal illness and became unable to buy the insurance now and became unable to earn a living now. He screwed up here. He knows it. He admits it. If he had it to do over again perhaps he would do things differently? Who knows. But the point here is that he has been a cryonics supporter for many years and through some fault of his own and some very bad luck his condition now is that he can't earn a living, he can't qualify for life insurance, and the doctors say he probably won't live for another year. Whatever good or bad things he may have done in his relatively short life are done. Aside from trying to fight his disease and trying to not die, there is not much he can do now. So now it is up to us, each one of us has to decide what they want to do about this person. He is a good person who is one of us in spirit and has been for many years, who is in trouble now, and who has not led a perfect life in the past. You can just blow it off and say it's all his fault so why help him, or you might want to see if you have some extra money you want to send in to add to the fund to try to save him. Logical arguments can be made for either position. We cryoncists always claim we are 100% logical and 0 % emotional. But I don't think that is true. I have been around cryonics for a long time, I have seen a lot of tears and also laughter, I know we cryoncists have emotions. I don't think it is a bad thing. If the cryonics movement just tries to save the perfect people, I don't think we will save very many people. If you are one of the cryoncists that does want to help William O'Rights try to avoid being dead forever, please send your check to: The Venturists C/O Creekside Lodge 11255 State Route 69 Mayer Arizona 86333 Enclose a note, or mark in the memo line, for "William O'Rights campaign" When you see your check has cleared you will know we received it OK. Use your canceled check made out the Venturists for your tax deduction. If you want a written receipt mailed to you, please say that in a note with your check. My deepest thanks to all who are helping out with donations and who are posting requests and info supporting this in other places. Special thanks to Robert Ettinger, one of our Directors, who brought this matter to the attention of the Board and got us to get behind this campaign, and to Mike Perry who also have held a lot so far and to all the others who have contributed or helped in other ways so far. David Pizer for: The Society for Venturism. In a message dated 7/24/2008 5:02:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, writes: CryoNet - Thu 24 Jul 2008 #30885: update on the fund raising [david pizer] Rate This Digest: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=30885%2D30885 Administrivia To subscribe to CryoNet, send email to: with the subject line (not message _body_): subscribe To unsubscribe, use the subject line: unsubscribe To post a message to CryoNet, send your message to: (Note: A "Subject:" line starting the message body replaces the "Subject:" line in the header. 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He has written and talked about the value of cryonics for years. He just did not get *his* life insurance in place before he came down with a terminal illness and became unable to buy the insurance now and became unable to earn a living now. He screwed up here. He knows it. He admits it. If he had it to do over again perhaps he would do things differently? Who knows. But the point here is that he has been a cryonics supporter for many years and through some fault of his own and some very bad luck his condition now is that he can't earn a living, he can't qualify for life insurance, and the doctors say he probably won't live for another year. Whatever good or bad things he may have done in his relatively short life are done. Aside from trying to fight his disease and trying to not die, there is not much he can do now. So now it is up to us, each one of us has to decide what they want to do about this person. He is a good person who is one of us in spirit and has been for many years, who is in trouble now, and who has not led a perfect life in the past. You can just blow it off and say it's all his fault so why help him, or you might want to see if you have some extra money you want to send in to add to the fund to try to save him. Logical arguments can be made for either position. We cryoncists always claim we are 100% logical and 0 % emotional. But I don't think that is true. I have been around cryonics for a long time, I have seen a lot of tears and also laughter, I know we cryoncists have emotions. I don't think it is a bad thing. If the cryonics movement just tries to save the perfect people, I don't think we will save very many people. If you are one of the cryoncists that does want to help William O'Rights try to avoid being dead forever, please send your check to: The Venturists C/O Creekside Lodge 11255 State Route 69 Mayer Arizona 86333 Enclose a note, or mark in the memo line, for "William O'Rights campaign" When you see your check has cleared you will know we received it OK. Use your canceled check made out the Venturists for your tax deduction. If you want a written receipt mailed to you, please say that in a note with your check. My deepest thanks to all who are helping out with donations and who are posting requests and info supporting this in other places. Special thanks to Robert Ettinger, one of our Directors, who brought this matter to the attention of the Board and got us to get behind this campaign, and to Mike Perry who also have held a lot so far and to all the others who have contributed or helped in other ways so far. 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