X-Message-Number: 3097 From: Date: Fri, 09 Sep 94 13:40:31 EDT Subject: SCI. CRYONICS Sternberg Recently I commented that the Darwin group and the Segall/Sternberg group have apparently been concentrating on longer chilled survival times for various animals, and that, while good for certain conventional medicine objectives, this has very limited relevance to cryonics, since most of the damage occurs in the cryothermic phase, not the hypothermic phase. But now Hal Sternberg tells me they have also been doing considerable work at cryogenic temperatures. He also confirmed an observation we have made at Cryonics Institute, that individual variation of results is considerable, even when dealing with healthy animals of the same type. With clinically dead humans the variation will doubtless be even greater, so that prolonged work will probably be necessary, with each procedure, to establish any kind of reliable average and variance. The availability of human cadavers in Europe may help. Robert Ettinger Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=3097