X-Message-Number: 31026
From: "Chris Manning" <>
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Subject: Re: CryoNet #31020 - #31022
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 14:07:00 +1000

> Message #31022
> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 20:53:17 -0700
> From: Gary Kline <>
> Subject: Re: CryoNet #31017 - #31019
> References: <>

> Seriously, Shannon, barring some "Constitutional Legislation,"
> or other such, I am > 90% certain reclaiming the suspended will be
> reality.  Guessing sometime before 2050 will be the first
> successful tests of mammals.  It it not only a common-sense
> issue, but also one involving pragmatic wisdom to "save" the best
> and brightest.  It's a given that all people are born with equal
> rights and value; but humans, like every other complex life form,
> change according to the laws and theories of Complexity
> mathematics.  Thus, "Smith" may wind up a mass murderer, while
> "Jones" may earn three Nobel prizes after conquering much
> suffering around the globe.  In other words, while everyone
> enters with certain inalienable right, how we live our lives
> determines what we're each worth toward the ens.

While I of course feel more comfortable about some people being suspended 
than others, I am not comfortable with some of the ideas expressed above. 
Surely cryonic suspension should be available to anyone who wants it (as 
long as it can be paid for) irrespective of whether they are amongst the 
'best' or 'brightest' or how they have lived their lives?

And it isn't always a simple case of 'Smith' or 'Jones' as described above. 
For example Australian mass murderer Mark 'Chopper' Read is also an artist 
and has written a number of books.

I am not entirely sure that we ought to be publicising Mr O'Rights' views, 
not because I don't agree with them but because it would seem to imply that 
we need not be concerned about needy cases where the person holds views we 
might disagree with.

If Mr O'Rights can't be suspended and Marce is still living, I am happy for 
my donation to be re-directed to her suspension fund, and vice versa.

About raffles I got two emails off-list about the situation in the US. 
Thanks to those people.

> Networking and email were just being born when I
> got my degree, so there were no undergrad classes on it.  Yet
> another time-sync!

Tell me about it.  :-( 

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