X-Message-Number: 31250 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:19:41 -0500 From: "Charles Platt" <> Subject: Re: CryoNet #31244 - #31247 References: <> > #31246: The lame Alienation Objection to cryonics. [Mark Plus] As an immigrant myself, who started over in a completely new place at the age of 25, I used to share Mark's dismissal of the challenge posed by alienation. But then I thought more about the issue of cellular repair. If you conclude (as I do) that AIs with greater-than-human intelligence will be needed for this task, you must also conclude, I think, that the future will be qualitatively different from our present to such an extreme, alienation does become a more significant problem. If you do not believe that greater-than-human intelligence will be needed for the task, then you have to explain why we do not already have automated repair capability on the macro scale, after many decades in which it could have been developed. If I can ever hand over a crashed car, for instance, to some repair robots and receive it back from them in new condition a few days later, I may be a little more receptive to the idea of similar devices tackling the infinitely more difficult task of repairing a human brain. Of course if we can achieve zero-damage preservation of cryonics patients, this argument disappears. But I don't expect that within my natural lifetime. Charles Platt Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=31250