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From: "Jens Rabis" <>
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Subject: AW: CryoNet #31380 - #31381
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:32:47 +0100
Such information and reflection:
#31380: Storage of DNA Archive and chemo-fixation of a brain [robomoon]
#31381: Congratulations [david pizer]
I like to read :-)
Best reetings Jens Rabis
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#31380: Storage of DNA Archive and chemo-fixation of a brain [robomoon]
#31381: Congratulations [david pizer]
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Message #31380
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 15:45:19 +0100
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Subject: Storage of DNA Archive and chemo-fixation of a brain
Where is it supported to evaluate if KrioRus
http://old.kriorus.ru/english.html can be open for negotiations
regarding a place for storage of an actually existing DNA Archive at
room temperature? Well, I know their requirements for storage in a
dewar, but I want to outline a rather exotic request to store biological
information above freezing. Actually, KrioRus seems to be alright among
the currently existing storage providers. But I don't know how to ask
them about a Russian life insurance for storage of DNA a the later
funding of chemo-fixation of a brain without freezing.
A new essay below.
Augmentation of Fixation for Machine Transformation
Cryonics supports the storage of valuable information inside human brain
tissue after death. The life of a human being has more value than the
activities of a machine. But without recordings of personal information,
death as a human has less value than the action of electric hardware.
And irreversible death is what time forces on the majority of human
individuals. However, even a halfway destroyed brain contains recorded
information for a machine as a matter of transformation from human brain
to data base of digital reflections. http://shintoist.com/ cached at
http://www.webcitation.org/5d0l2JYbd links to some bemes.
Robots are supposed to enable automatized brain surgery for the
reanimation of neurons after longterm suspension. People who have an
interest to turn into robots after death should be very well supported
by organizations for Life Extension. Proposed that machine
transformation happens, cryonauts who are under surgery for reanimation
will very much profit from a group of chemonauts who have turned into
avatars for robots. Only with enough AI and robots, neuro-surgeons will
re-enact the flow of neurotransmitter molecules in a brain for conscious
remembrance.
When brains are destroyed, there are still bindings in contracts which
have been made before death. Contracts can be arranged for the usage of
personal data in digital components of hardware and software. Brains of
adults halfway between irreversible destruction may loose parts and
connections of neurons in which something important like childhood
memories are stored. Without enough neurons for detailed memorization,
bioreanimation of patients who want to remember their childhood in
detail must not be much prioritized. In anatomy, the brain is already a
machine. Therefore, a contract for chemical fixation requires terms for
machine transformation from human to robot.
Those who can neither fulfill the financial requirements nor the
intellectual standards of Cryonics should try to get into a cheap
contract arrangement for aldehyde fixation of brain tissue even when
probability analysis render a chance of less than one percent for
reanimation as a human. If liquid storage is unavailable, plastification
for the only purpose of machine transformation should be arranged.
Regarding the actual availability of services, freezing as well as
vitrification render a much higher chance of bioreanimation. But for
those of the impoverished who want to continue their projects as a
robot, chemo-fixation and storage in temperatures above freezing will
remain an alternative to cryo-suspension.
More at The Cold Filter.
Conditions where a blood washout cannot be established
February 9, 2009, http://www.network54.com/Forum/291677/message/1234184310/
Response to fixation
Very encouraging at
http://www.network54.com/Forum/291677/message/1233860845/ to mention
good reasons for chemo fixation.
:quote:
1. Much less technique sensitive.
2. Less time pressure.
3. Less equipment needed in the field.
4. Would equally help accident and stroke victims.
5. Would help in cases where delays happened.
6. Would help in underfunded situations. Gives people time to gather
funds. Even years.
:quote-end:
There are some more reasons:
7. Suspension in places where strong supervision is needed
8. Exchange of know-how between cryo-providers and chemo-providers
Strong supervision requires authorities to check from time to time if a
patient's brain is alright under suspension. So they can look inside a
container where brains are under suspension to check whether the tissue
has gotten much putrid or not.
Chemo-providers can establish know-how to assess a cryoprotective
perfusion under urgent conditions where a blood washout cannot be
established at all. Possible chemo-providers include funeral directors
who provide embalming. Embalming as usual includes the whole body. This
must change, so that a trained embalmer preserves the head separately.
The embalmer should establish ligation of blood vessels in cervical
areas with a neckband. An electric pump will establish a closed
circulation inside the skull. Decay of neurons can be tackled by slow
injection of a universal solution which contains embalming fluid and a
vasodilator against muscular spasms. If desired, a cryoprotectant can be
added. Usage of an electric pump keeps the blood in motion.
By the way, I'm still looking for volunteers who can help me to get in
touch with KrioRus for negotiations regarding the storage of my portable
DNA Archive which is actually located in Germany. Eventually, there can
be provisions for a Russian life insurance with low funding under the
term that it will be for a cheap chemo suspension (if it's becoming
available). You can contact me by email to robomoon at nexgo dot de with
subject "kriorus".
Of cause, some parts of neurons are getting destroyed by this approach.
But there will be remains of dendritic trees, axon terminals, and the
like, which morphology can be analyzed. Even when reversal of these
damages for reanimation as a living human cannot be accomplished, I
still have the intention that special characteristics of my DNA and
neuronal morphology will be integrated into an autonomous robot. There
are also digital data (bemes) which will enhance my identity when
development of AI is progressing.
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Message #31381
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:51:46 -0800 (PST)
From: david pizer <>
Subject: Congratulations
Congratulations to all who have contributed to the O'Rights campaign. We
now have slightly over $30,000 in the bank for his suspension at CI.
Thanks to all who have contributed and helped with the fund raising.
Best regards to all.
David Pizer
For the Venturists
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