X-Message-Number: 31496
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 10:08:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Phil Ossifur <>
Subject: Stodolsky's Creator God "is" common in Classical Humanism.


Stodolsky describes Creator God being possibly consisisent with science-- then 
says it's not the common use. http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=8&q=y


Well, common use isn't useful then. Luckily, Classical Humanism provides for a 
science based Creator God-- but you'd have to read Larouche on that. 
http://www.larouchepub.com

Stodolsky writes " Normally, 'religion' is understood as a  
worldview that includes the supernatural, that is, it contradicts a  
scientific worldview. "
source http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=8&q=y


My comment-- But that's too broad a definition of religion. Religion is nothing 
but another form of politics. I forget who said that. Look at the Jesus Christ 
narrative-- Christianity is considered "religion" but the IMPLICATIONS of the 
idea "love your neighbour as yourself" is imbibed in the American Constitution 
as "all men are created equal"-- and this is written in that sense of "higher 
cognitive reasoning and creative capacity". The "supernatural" element of 
Christianity-- walking on water, raising from the dead, etc-- were stories to 
impress illiterate people and to help transmit the narrative to future 
generations with political effect.


The star constellations of the Zodiac-- are very real. Just look for yourself. 
You'll see that Pisces, the fish, a Christian symbol, is visible in the spring 
equinox at this time-- having started about 2000 years ago. Zeitgeist has a good
film on this, on Youtube-- but they miss the boat otherwise. 

Stod writes "Our operational definition is that someone is  
religious, unless they check 'atheist' or 'agnostic' on a survey."


My comment-- Atheism is as much a religion as any religion because it denies the
existence of scientifically compatible Creator God absolutely, when in fact-- 
we may actually be staring at a universe that DOES have an integration in a 
Peronsl Super Cognitive Being. How would we know? The United States was 
predicated on the existence of a HIGHER group of UNIVERSAL principles-- 
principles that REQUIRE the HUMAN MIND to discover and apply-- principle that 
are INVISIBLE otherwise. 


The extra-dimesional aspect of the human mind is REAL-- it EXISTS and it's 
PROVABLE... scientifically-- and Larouche has done that, uniquely in pointing to
the amazing ANOMALY about humans-- in that we ALONE can discover UNIVERSAL 
PRINCIPLES-- using TRUE science and CREATIVITY-- not the fake science that turns
scientists like Volker into mere babbling technicians-- but REAL science using 
the principles of DeCusa, Kepler, Vernadsky and Reimann. 


The phony science perpetrated by the Enlightment is where the Libertarians and 
transhumanists went in the wrong direction entirely. If you review the Golden 
Rensissance and the invention of the whole process of how soveeign nation-states
can peacefully co-exist and progress-- in terms of physical economics, you'll 
be truly amazed if you're intellectually honest-- which most people have a hard 
time being.  


Creator God is result of REASONING.... scientific reasoning. it's not a 
"revelation" thing-- a hoax perpetrated by phony Christian churches. The view of
man absolutely must be looked at by cryonicists-- because it's not just what 
Drexler said-- that cryonics preserves memory and personality. CATS have 
personality. And memory. MAN has MORE than personality and memory... Ettinger 
refers to self-circuit, but a newt has self circuit too so that's not good 
enough. Cryonics seeks to preserve the "Creative Personality" of the unique 
human mind-- which exists in a UNIQUE PHASE SPACE-- in the universe that 
coexists with the BIOTIC and ABIOTIC phase spaces of the universe... in a 
REIMANNIAN MANIFOLD. Think I'm joking. It may be YOU who are "out of loop"  so 
to speak. 

There's only one way for you to find out. Read Larouche. Check... and mate.

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