X-Message-Number: 31519 From: Mark Plus <> Subject: "Amortality" and narcissism Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:40:39 -0700 Apparently no one picked up on the subtext of the Time article about "amortality" as one of the 10 ideas allegedly "changing the world" in 2009: http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,28804,1884779_1884782_1884758,00.html Quote: 'Amortals live among us. In their teens and 20s, they may seem preternaturally experienced. In later life, they often look young and dress younger. They have kids early or late - sometimes very late - or not at all. Their emotional lives are as chaotic as their financial planning. The defining characteristic of amortality is to live in the same way, at the same pitch, doing and consuming much the same things, from late teens right up until death.' This brought to my recollection blogger John Bruce's post in 2006 about the narcissistic aspects of transhumanism: http://mthollywood.blogspot.com/2006/05/transhumanism-and-narcissism-i.html Transhumanism and Narcissism(Quoting from this source: http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/traits.html#time ) 'Narcissists have a weird sense of time. It's more or less like they are not aware that the passage of time changes things, or maybe they just aren't aware of time's passing at all. Years can pass without touching narcissists. Narcissists often look, or think they look, significantly younger than they are; this youthful appearance is a point of pride to them, and some will emphasize it by either preserving the styles of their golden youth or following the styles of people the age they feel they "really" are. That their faces don't show their chronological age is a good sign that they haven't been living real lives with real life's wear and tear on the looks of normal people. The narcissists' years have passed without touching them.' I don't consider narcissism necessarily a bad thing. Narcissistic individuals seem to enjoy advantages in acquiring wealth and status in competitive, personality-driven fields like politics, show business, sales or TV evangelism. Given the speculative relationship between narcissism and a "weird sense of time" that resists or denies aging, perhaps cryonics organizations should look into recruiting more high achieving, narcissistic "amortals" as members. (To add to the ones we have already, in other words!) BTW, "The New Calvinism" shows up on the same list in that bit of Time ephemera. Apparently narcissistic amortality (a form of "incurvatus in se") has to compete with total depravity in current trends about one's self-image. "Around 2010 the world will be at a new orbit in history. . . Life expectancy will be indefinite. Disease and disability will nonexist. Death will be rare and accidental -- but not permanent. We will continuously jettison our obsolescence and grow younger." F.M. Esfandiary, "Up-Wing Priorities" (1981). http://www.box.net/shared/static/ay9lub60ha.pdf http://www.scribd.com/doc/10948503/Up-Wing-Priorities Mark Plus _________________________________________________________________ HotmailR is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=31519